SonofaRoache Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Dodgers getting in would really screw the Phillies like the Padres screwed us. Edited February 25, 2019 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Are we sure they weren’t in Vegas just to gamble? http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26075139/dodgers-re-enter-bryce-harper-sweepstakes-interested-short-term-deal Looks like ESPN is running with it...LA wants Harper to sign a shorter term deal. Edited February 25, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Robert could get there, too, if he can hit 20-25 homers...he definitely has the frame and leverage to do it if Alexei could pull it off at about 165-170 pounds. Adolfo would be my third choice...his defense will be a bit limited due to speed, but he could put together a huge season of outfield assists like Avi and Eaton have recorded in recent years. Basabe, Rutherford and Gonzalez would be tied for 4th, although they seem like 1.5-2.5 guys at the current moment. One could break out in unexpected fashion, although I certainly wouldn’t bet a Greg house on it. Let’s not forget we likely get two more shots with high first round picks...one pitcher (to replace Rodon) and one position player in all likelihood. Yeah forgot about Robert for a bit. He's kind of an afterthought because the dude seems to be made of glass. If he can stay healthy, you're right. I hope they both develop into stars so that we can bring back the "Fine Cubans" Signature that was once here with El Duque and El Conde. Loved that one. Edited February 25, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Yeah forgot about Robert for a bit. He's kind of an afterthought because the dude seems to be made of glass. If he can stay healthy, you're right. I hope they both develop into stars so that we can bring back the "Fine Cubans" Signature that was once here with El Duque and El Conde. Loved that one. El Gran Titan de Bronze was also Contreras’ nickname...a noted Cuban cigar manufacturer. Edited February 25, 2019 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, HakunaMachado said: Is this new passan info related to the white Sox interest in Joc a few weeks ago? Bc that would make a ton of sense... I have zero interest in Joc as a back up plan to either of those two, now as a second piece to one of them it would not have been a bad idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Even so, the fact that the entire rebuild depends on Moncada or Robert becoming a top 10 player in baseball makes it iffy at best. That is why landing Machado was so important. It allowed for some leeway in outcomes for those guys. Now that leeway is gone. Edited February 25, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 If Eloy turns into a 40 HR guy with a solid OBP, he’ll be a centerpiece regardless of what WAR says about his defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 The near certainty of Machado or Harper being a top 20 player in any given year was exactly what this team needed. It mitigated the inherent risk in extrapolating the essentially unknowable performance of all the 'ute. All it took was money. And, many would argue, a very wise investment of money because it was buying. The shame of it was that it was the there for the taking this year. The big boys were all essentially absent and hamstrung because of a variety of real factors. This was the year that being the high bidder (and a high bid that would be RELATIVELY reasonable) was possible. All it would take is the resolve to commit to a slightly revised model. Of course, easy to spend other people's money. Surely I'm not factoring in the unparalleled success that our Sox have achieved doing things the tried and true Sox way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, bighurt574 said: If Eloy turns into a 40 HR guy with a solid OBP, he’ll be a centerpiece regardless of what WAR says about his defense. Best case scenario for Eloy is JD Martinez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Best case scenario for Eloy is JD Martinez. And if he hits his potential, that’s a pretty key piece right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, bighurt574 said: And if he hits his potential, that’s a pretty key piece right there. It is, but it isn't enough on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 If the Dodgers were to acquire Harper, which one of Pollock and Pederson are they more likely to try to move? My guess would be Pederson, as he is best suited for a corner OF spot, which belongs to Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lillian said: If the Dodgers were to acquire Harper, which one of Pollock and Pederson are they more likely to try to move? My guess would be Pederson, as he is best suited for a corner OF spot, which belongs to Harper. Easily Joc. Also by rule I don’t think you can trade someone you sign as a free agent until a certain date (unless they agree to it) Edited February 25, 2019 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Lillian said: If the Dodgers were to acquire Harper, which one of Pollock and Pederson are they more likely to try to move? My guess would be Pederson, as he is best suited for a corner OF spot, which belongs to Harper. They can't deal Pollock until a certain date since he signed this offseason. I don't want Pederson though. Not without the Machado move. Edited February 25, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I doubt the Sox are that serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: And what's worse, is that when it comes to developing a 6+WAR player the only position player in the org capable of that is Moncada. Eloy is going to top out in the 3-4 WAR range because of his defensive limitations. Moncada is the key to this rebuild, IMO. He has to be a star otherwise it won't work at all. Even if Moncada is a 4 WAR player, it isn't good enough. The bad news is that the success or failure is all on his shoulders, and that is a lot of weight for him to bear. Why is having a 6 WAR player a requirement to being a WS contender? Dodgers (not including half a season of Machado, esp when he was well short of a 6 WAR pace in a dodgers uni) , Yankees, Cubs, and other contenders didn’t have one last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Why is having a 6 WAR player a requirement to being a WS contender? Dodgers (not including half a season of Machado, esp when he was well short of a 6 WAR pace in a dodgers uni) , Yankees, Cubs, and other contenders didn’t have one last year. It isn't a requirement, but it really helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Why is having a 6 WAR player a requirement to being a WS contender? Dodgers (not including half a season of Machado, esp when he was well short of a 6 WAR pace in a dodgers uni) , Yankees, Cubs, and other contenders didn’t have one last year. Do the Sox have a single 3 WAR player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Why is having a 6 WAR player a requirement to being a WS contender? Dodgers (not including half a season of Machado, esp when he was well short of a 6 WAR pace in a dodgers uni) , Yankees, Cubs, and other contenders didn’t have one last year. Let’s just call that player a star or even a “superstar.” And move it back down to 5 fWAR as the cutoff. We can cite a Trout or Harper failing to succeed in the playoffs, but you just can’t compete with the quality depth of the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox and Astros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: They can't deal Pollock until a certain date since he signed this offseason. I don't want Pederson though. Not without the Machado move. I don't want him either. I was just trying to brace myself for another "stupid" move by this front office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Joc to the Indians makes far too much sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It isn't a requirement, but it really helps. Sure but this isn’t a black and white thing. People act as if losing out on Machado means the rebuild is destined to fail and there’s no way to build a WS contender from here. That’s ridiculous. Contenders come in all shapes and sizes (Royals title team was built much differently than last year’s Red Sox, for example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, Timmy U said: Do the Sox have a single 3 WAR player? Narvaez was our highest last year, unless it was Abreu, Anderson or Moncada (bwar or fWAR). We dumped him for a reliever when the majority of rational front offices wouldn’t have agreed to even assume his existing contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Do the Sox have a single 3 WAR player? No but as bad as Moncada was last year he was still a 2 WAR player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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