flavum Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said: This is a cop out the Sox will use even though it's 100% false. It’s unnecessary for Hahn to do media about not signing Harper. It was all about Manny from the time they tried to trade for him. Harper was a huge long shot and the Sox probably have known it wasn’t happening for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNamesRod Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The part that sucks about this is that he is pretty much guaranteed to be there for 13 years. That means if he's a hall of famer, which is likely, it'll be in a Phillies hat. I can't even imagine the joy of knowing a player like that was under contract with the Sox for the rest of his career. Man it must feel good to be a Phillies fan right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgiggles15 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 At least neither of them are in the American League, so we get to see them less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Siliver lining is that both went to the NL and thus the NL is now a bear and the cub road looks tougher then ever. In regard to baseball that is about all I can do is root against he cubs. I kind of backed the White Sox organization in the past but now I really am buying in to the fact that they are just cheap and now they are all about pocketing the revenue generated through the MLB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Time for another name change, and this... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, bmags said: People are confusing "upset because this deal should not have been out of reach for a team that seriously targeted the top free agents for 2 years and need it for a stifled rebuild" with "upset because they believed they were getting harper and didn't" I will always believe the sox are capable of making the correct and achievable choice, and always upset when they can't execute it. Most knew we weren't getting Harper. The sting comes from the 25mil aav and we weren't one of the suitors (apparently) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I just wish Jerry/the front office could answer to the fans. Fucking cowards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, fathom said: As someone else said on twitter, the Sox are looking at a possible rebuild of the rebuild. Rodon should be traded at the deadline if he does well this year. This was always the danger of rebuilding. The Pirates and Royals did this for 25-30 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, flavum said: It’s unnecessary for Hahn to do media about not signing Harper. It was all about Manny from the time they tried to trade for him. Harper was a huge long shot and the Sox probably have known it wasn’t happening for quite some time. They should absolutely get grilled about giving up on signing a 26 yr HOF caliber talent just because they completely botched the other. That's a hell of a deal for the Phils and they COULD have done it, they just did not want to. They should be asked and I'd love to hear the answer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, southsider2k5 said: This was always the danger of rebuilding. The Pirates and Royals did this for 25-30 years. This is not the danger of rebuilding. This is the danger of terrible ownership and front office people. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I don't get it. $25 million/year got Harper? Seems like a bargain for one of the biggest stars in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, reiks12 said: Most knew we weren't getting Harper. The sting comes from the 25mil aav and we weren't one of the suitors (apparently) Anything south of 350 i would have felt disappointed sox didn't go for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: This is not the danger of rebuilding. This is the danger of terrible ownership and front office people. Which is where the Pirates are at. Atleast they don't even attempt these type of signings knowing they can't do it. Same with the A's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, bmags said: oh totally. We learned a lot for the next go around though: - "stealth mode" is not a thing. maybe for trades, it isn't for free agents. - jerry reinsdorfs ability as a businessman could not matter less - how elite free agents value themselves matters, and if you aren't prepared to sign them at their value, plan your organization accordingly. Jerry’s ability as a businessman is a detriment to putting the best team on the field. His business savvy is not conducive to the fan experience or the player of this generation. He’s a dinosaur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 We just had to beat the 25 million and couldn't do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, Middle Buffalo said: I don't get it. $25 million/year got Harper? Seems like a bargain for one of the biggest stars in baseball. Harper's side was willing to be a little flexible and give up the chance at one more contract at the end of this deal/age 36 in order to get the biggest deal in MLB history, and no one else was stepping up with anything close to comparable to make it a tough choice. The phillies probably bid against themselves a little bit today to get it done since that really is a discount for Harper, but they get an incredible contract structure out of doing so rather than holding out for lower money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dick Allen Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Looks like the Boras played the Phillies too. So I wonder where the bidding was before he had Heyman mention the Dodgers and Giants. This was their chance to bid with the big boys on the sideline. Maybe the only reason the were able to sign Abreu was because the circumstances were similar, and JR did bust his budget for the $68 million. Business as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: I still believe that the Sox were in "stealth mode" and were still in on Harper, but they failed, so it doesn't matter. The fact is that he signed for $25 million AAV and no opt-outs. I have defended the front office for years, but they have beaten the optimism out of me this offseason. They are now on a GarPax level of incompetence. I hope they lose fans, and I wish I weren't so committed or else they'd be losing me too. I hate garpax with a passion. They are much better than the kwpres/hahngm era because they can still draft well, and hahn has shown no strength in the traditional team building avenues which is why they needed a big splash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Don't talk about $25M AAV. The expected return in the final 3 years of the deal is basically $0. You have to evaluate the deal in terms of the total investment and the total production you expect over the life of the deal. It ends up being more about whether you think you can get $330 million of production in ~7 years. Maybe! You do get some upside in that if he is unusually long-lasting in terms of his performance, you can still capitalize in those later years. The benefit the Sox wouldn't get is luxury tax relief because we will never be close to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Yeah I think I need a break from baseball for a while. This offseason kinda broke me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Two top flight players not yet in their prime becoming free agents All of the big boys from day say they are out of the biding The White Sox take this to mean they can low ball both guys and wait them out The White Sox prove yet again they are second rate bunch But hey we have Daniel Palka and Nicky Delmonico 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I bet those Dodgers are still, "We got him right where we want him. He just loves those Lakers." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Whisox05 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Anyone who goes to games this year needs to have a Jerry needs to sell sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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