Lillian Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) On 2/22/2019 at 5:06 PM, FT35 said: Honestly, at this current moment in time, the argument of who's better is irrelevant because Manny is no longer available. Since we missed on Manny, we're in a much different position as a franchise--a position that NEEDS Harper more than ever. We're now in a position of missing out on a star in a once in a lifetime market sans all the powerhouse teams. If we DON'T get Harper, we could be facing a situation where the only shot we have at a superstar is developing one. I don't like our chances...our player development is low and we won't have any fans coming to games to generate revenue. Expand I agree. The comparison between the two, and how they fit the organization, is no longer relevant. This is also about damage control. If we think that we needed to acquire one of these players, before this fiasco, we really do now. All of those intangibles, which we discussed ad nauseam, are now magnified by the fan "revolt," as evidenced by this forum and social media. Edited February 22, 2019 by Lillian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) On 2/22/2019 at 4:55 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: No. Absolutely not. I'd give him 310, that's my max. I think Manny is the better player and would have given him more. Sox valued machado at 250. Harper has had more mediocre seasons than good/great ones. I think he'll be fine but with his defense dwindling and an injury history youd be nuts to give him 350 for just his baseball skills imo. Expand And here I thought that a .900 OPS was demonstrating fairly elite baseball skills. I guess I was wrong, upon checking, that is only good for 64th all time. So there are like 63 better offensive players in the history of the game (an oversimplification, but you get it). Edited February 22, 2019 by turnin' two 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 4:42 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The White Sox are OUT on Brycr Harper. They are not even submitting a bid. They are high on their outfield depth and feel it's a risk not worth taking... and as sad as it is to say, I agree. Harper doesn't fit. Manny did. Expand Harper fits for marketing and on the team. Our outfield could be Harper, Robert, and Eloy, with Basabe , Micker, and Rutherford as the 4th/5th guys. Everyone not making the roster can be traded for other positional upgrades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) On 2/22/2019 at 4:55 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: No. Absolutely not. I'd give him 310, that's my max. I think Manny is the better player and would have given him more. Sox valued machado at 250. Harper has had more mediocre seasons than good/great ones. I think he'll be fine but with his defense dwindling and an injury history youd be nuts to give him 350 for just his baseball skills imo. Expand In addition to the previously discussed intangible benefits of acquiring Harper, perhaps we should include the face saving and redeeming factors, for the terribly inept way that the Machado negotiations, and follow up spin, were handled. That might justify the $40 million premium, over your personal evaluation of his worth. Edited February 22, 2019 by Lillian 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:25 PM, EvilJester99 said: Guess the Sox are out on Marwin as well.. Expand I'm actually happy about this. I was afraid this may be Keppinger 2.0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:01 PM, 103 mph screwball said: Harper could be worth more than Machado for other reasons besides performance on the field. TV ratings, salvaging the PR disaster, and other marketing has value. They should have gotten Machado. They didn't. Learn from mistake and pay Harper. Expand I've thought from the beginning of this nightmare of an off season that Harper is the bigger name and would do more for the team in regards to recognition. He's also the better power hitter, and with the short porch in right field, he would hit a ton of home runs. Machado as a player was a better fit. He'd fill a position of need, and I think he's a better hitter overall. Signing Harper only creates a good problem with having a lot of outfield depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:24 PM, Lillian said: In addition to the previously discussed intangible benefits of acquiring Harper, perhaps we should include the face saving and redeeming factors, for the terribly inept way that the Machado negotiations, and follow up spin, were handled. That might justify the $40 million premium, over your personal evaluation of his worth. Expand Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Harper is trending toward DH in a couple years. No thanks. Great OBP, wild swings in production, bad defender, injury prone. No way he is worth 300+ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) On 2/22/2019 at 5:24 PM, Lillian said: In addition to the previously discussed intangible benefits of acquiring Harper, perhaps we should include the face saving and redeeming factors, for the terribly inept way that the Machado negotiations, and follow up spin, were handled. That might justify the $40 million premium, over your personal evaluation of his worth. Expand Yeah I mean, we're still fielding a team with the likes of Adam Engel, Daniel Palka, Yolmer Sanchez, Yonder Alonso, Nicky Delmonico, James McCann, Leury Garcia, Jose Rondon...the small uptick in Machado's baseball numbers over Harper's might not really translate to more wins... BUT a Bryce Harper signing would possibly convince more people to actually come watch a team who fields players like Adam Engel, Daniel Palka, Yolmer Sanchez, Yonder Alonso, Nicky Delmonico, James McCann, Leury Garcia, Jose Rondon... Maybe with that money we could go out and buy A pitcher. Edited February 22, 2019 by FT35 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 With the Nats "moving on" from Harper. I hate to say it, but I think he's going to end up in San Diego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:39 PM, Peacock Wrestler said: With the Nats "moving on" from Harper. I hate to say it, but I think he's going to end up in San Diego. Expand If the Padres sign Harper, I look forward to them tearing it all down in a couple years when they realize they have no money left to supplement the rest of their roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:41 PM, ChiSox59 said: If the Padres sign Harper, I look forward to them tearing it all down in a couple years when they realize they have no money left to supplement the rest of their roster. Expand Depends on how well their farm system pans out. If they do fairly well then they won't need to go out and get other players, but if it doesn't they'll be in a big mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:41 PM, ChiSox59 said: If the Padres sign Harper, I look forward to them tearing it all down in a couple years when they realize they have no money left to supplement the rest of their roster. Expand Yeah, I don't think it would end well for them. For me, it's hard to see him go anywhere but Philadelphia unless he takes a shorter deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:44 PM, Peacock Wrestler said: Depends on how well their farm system pans out. If they do fairly well then they won't need to go out and get other players, but if it doesn't they'll be in a big mess. Expand They better hope they hit on all those SP prospects (they do have a lot of them) because they have basically nothing at the major league level as far as pitching goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:41 PM, ChiSox59 said: If the Padres sign Harper, I look forward to them tearing it all down in a couple years when they realize they have no money left to supplement the rest of their roster. Expand then they can just trade them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:46 PM, bmags said: then they can just trade them. Expand Assuming they still perform at a high level and don't get injured. Otherwise not a team in the world would take on those contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:46 PM, ChiSox59 said: They better hope they hit on all those SP prospects (they do have a lot of them) because they have basically nothing at the major league level as far as pitching goes. Expand padres zips for starting rotation - 7.4 white sox zips for starting rotation - 5.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:46 PM, ChiSox59 said: They better hope they hit on all those SP prospects (they do have a lot of them) because they have basically nothing at the major league level as far as pitching goes. Expand They will just trade for pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:48 PM, Peacock Wrestler said: Assuming they still perform at a high level and don't get injured. Otherwise not a team in the world would take on those contracts. Expand 31 year olds with a 5 for 150 deal left in 5 years...won't be hard to shed. Big contracts suck when they have a decently valuable asset and you need to get a return back to jump start a rebuild if your only purpose is to shed money, you can shed money. Your scenario they just need to shed money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:46 PM, ChiSox59 said: They better hope they hit on all those SP prospects (they do have a lot of them) because they have basically nothing at the major league level as far as pitching goes. Expand They probably planned to go after the FA SP next offseason but we can probably count that out after this debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:41 PM, ChiSox59 said: If the Padres sign Harper, I look forward to them tearing it all down in a couple years when they realize they have no money left to supplement the rest of their roster. Expand don't think they'd have to do much supplementing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:27 PM, Peacock Wrestler said: I'm actually happy about this. I was afraid this may be Keppinger 2.0. Expand Thank god. Marwin is a waste of money for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 5:59 PM, mqr said: don't think they'd have to do much supplementing Expand Have you looked at their pitching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 6:01 PM, Harper2Sox said: Thank god. Marwin is a waste of money for this team. Expand I'm happy with having Yolmer as our versatile guy. He's not going to have the numbers like Marwin, but Yolmer is great for the clubhouse, fans, and coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 6:02 PM, ChiSox59 said: Have you looked at their pitching? Expand Yes, and I think what they have coming down the pipe will get the job done with the lineup they are putting together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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