ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tony said: Those don't have to be the only two choices, and I know you aren't that dense to know that. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Jerry can be a bad owner, and Rick can be a bad GM. But if you want to die on the "Rick Hahn is a great GM, Jerry is just a bad owner" hill, go nuts. You're going to die mostly alone. I assumed we were talking about who to blame for the failures to sign Machado and Harper, in which case I feel like those are the only two choices. Either you think Jerry wouldn't approve the money for Hahn, or you think Hahn was approved for all the money he wanted, but didn't want to spend Jerry's money on these guys. And the lack of signing Machado/Harper are my only two gripes with this rebuild so far. Everything else has looked fine to me outside of obvious injuries which you can't pin on anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Rendon will be 30. Cole will be 29. Puig will be 29. Bogaerts will be 27. Rendon- doesn't fit with us since yoan is now our third basemen Cole- good option, but there will be a lot of competition for him Puig- are you joking? Bogaerts- would mean Tim shits the bed this year who is supposed to be an integral part of the rebuild. There's no room for both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: Jerry Reinsdorf loves fans like you. Nothing I can do about it. I love baseball. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Time to pay the piper, to 35th street we go........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, whitesoxwinner said: Rendon- doesn't fit with us since yoan is now our third basemen Cole- good option, but there will be a lot of competition for him Puig- are you joking? Bogaerts- would mean Tim shits the bed this year who is supposed to be an integral part of the rebuild. There's no room for both of them. Lol. Ok bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Nothing I can do about it. I love baseball. Sorry. I love baseball too. I'm going to watch the games but I won't go to the ballpark with my own money. I feel stupid for trusting Hahn when he said they'd spend the money. I never thought they'd rebuild, and the fact they did that made me somewhat gullible. If they weren't going to spend the money on these guys, they should have never rebuilt. They should have kept their guys and continued to piecemeal it. @Harper2Sox Time to change your handle to Sell Jerry Sell. Edited February 28, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: I hope everyone will be boycotting Sox games this year. The stadium needs to be empty every night so Reinsdorf sees what he has done. Not only this year, but I won’t attend another game until Jerry is no longer affiliated with the franchise. Saddens me to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Unfortunately, I'll be buying The Show AND buying my 10-game Sox plan here very soon. As much as this team is infuriating right now, I love baseball too much to ignore. Can you opt out after 4 games with that 10 game plan? I might give that type of package a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I haven't yet read all of your posts, but I must say that I'm just dumbfounded. What was the point of all that bravado, with which Hahn posited about "the Sox had prepared for this off season and were going to be aggressive......." Whether, or not, they should have been in on Harper is not the issue. We can all have our own opinions about that. However, it is just stupid for them to have hyped this off season, if they were not seriously ready to spend what it was clearly going to take. This is a public relations disaster, all attributable to management and, or ownership. Going forward, I don't want them to sign anyone else. Let the kids play. Tank, if that's what results, and get another high Draft pick. In the meantime, find a way to get Jay and Alonso off the roster, to make room for players, who might be part of the future. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, wegner said: Can you opt out after 4 games with that 10 game plan? I might give that type of package a try. Hah, that would be quite an interesting ticket plan for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Lillian said: I haven't yet read all of your posts, but I must say that I'm just dumbfounded. What was the point of all that bravado, with which Hahn posited about "the Sox had prepared for this off season and were going to be aggressive......." Whether, or not, they should have been in on Harper is not the issue. We can all have our own opinions about that. However, it is just stupid for them to have hyped this off season, if they were not seriously ready to spend what it was clearly going to take. This is a public relations disaster, all attributable to management and, or ownership. Going forward, I don't want them to sign anyone else. Let the kids play. Tank, if that's what results, and get another high Draft pick. In the meantime, find a way to get Jay and Alonso off the roster, to make room for players, who might be part of the future. Bravo, well said!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Lillian said: I haven't yet read all of your posts, but I must say that I'm just dumbfounded. What was the point of all that bravado, with which Hahn posited about "the Sox had prepared for this off season and were going to be aggressive......." Whether, or not, they should have been in on Harper is not the issue. We can all have our own opinions about that. However, it is just stupid for them to have hyped this off season, if they were not seriously ready to spend what it was clearly going to take. This is a public relations disaster, all attributable to management and, or ownership. Going forward, I don't want them to sign anyone else. Let the kids play. Tank, if that's what results, and get another high Draft pick. In the meantime, find a way to get Jay and Alonso off the roster, to make room for players, who might be part of the future. IMO - they really believed it, they just really thought these guys were going to be available at around $200 million and it would be easy, so why not be cocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Well, the Sox have officially doubled down on their ability to develop major league position player talent...something they haven't done well at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 By July I will be all in on Bears news/talk. I will watch baseball games but they won’t necessarily be whitesox games. I will probably get more enjoyment of watching the teams I hate and rooting against them like the Cubs, if I am being honest. Pathetic I know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 At least we don't have to read about whales on here for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, Balta1701 said: IMO - they really believed it, they just really thought these guys were going to be available at around $200 million and it would be easy, so why not be cocky. If that's true, then it speaks more to their stupidity and ineptitude. Who else believed that those would be the kinds of contracts? None of us did. In fact, most of baseball thought that the figures would be larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Reinsdorf has descended into Bill Wirtz territory. Been saying it for the past half decade, and I continue to believe it. Bill Wirtz once said "I'm not interested in winning championships. They're too expensive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Lol. Ok bud. Considering we can’t be very sure at all of getting even 2 fWAR seasons (his average the last three) out of Gonzalez, Basabe, Adolfo, Rutherford or Walker... I’d call it 50/50 odds one of those guys hits that number. Two out of five would be an amazing rate of success for the White Sox. Plus, we still need a DH, too. Since we’re probably going to bury Palka on the bench behind Alonso and Jay. Fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Don't worry guys, Austin Jackson is still available! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The second worst part about this offseason being a massive failure is the Sox have 100% reinforced Balta's constantly negative thoughts and he will be certain to remind us 100x per day for the rest of eternity. Welp. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Tony said: I was going off the words you said. You're sticking up for him because you are unsure what he can judged on, outside of trades (and extensions, which doesn't make sense because that would also include Jerry and ownership.) Rick Hahn took over as GM in 2013, but has been with the organization for almost two decades. 2013: 66-99 2014: 73-89 2015: 76-86 2016: 78-84 2017: 67-95 2018: 62-100 How long is Rick get a pass because of ownership? When is he responsible for constructing a team within a certain budget? Teams do it every year, and to great success. ?this guys tired of pointing out that our budget surpasses that of the as and rays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tony said: I was going off the words you said. You're sticking up for him because you are unsure what he can judged on, outside of trades (and extensions, which doesn't make sense because that would also include Jerry and ownership.) Rick Hahn took over as GM in 2013, but has been with the organization for almost two decades. 2013: 66-99 2014: 73-89 2015: 76-86 2016: 78-84 2017: 67-95 2018: 62-100 How long is Rick get a pass because of ownership? When is he responsible for constructing a team within a certain budget? Teams do it every year, and to great success. If JR isn't willing to even spend on the things necessary to be successful on a budget(J2 FA, Scouting, analytics, player development), Hahn's hands are tied and he should resign. Edited February 28, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: IMO - they really believed it, they just really thought these guys were going to be available at around $200 million and it would be easy, so why not be cocky. To not realize that both of these guys were going to be signing for over $300 million is baffling to me. Almost everyone on this board knew this but Hahn and company did not? Did they go to Jerry and say the price is going to be over $300 million and he said "Inconceivable!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Lol. Ok bud. I mean if you really think next year's free agent class isnt weak then I don't know how to help you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, ChiSox59 said: The second worst part about this offseason being a massive failure is the Sox have 100% reinforced Balta's constantly negative thoughts and he will be certain to remind us 100x per day for the rest of eternity. Welp. Had Rick Hahn done his job y'all could have taunted me. Hold that against him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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