Jack Parkman Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 What would you do in the absence of landing a big fish? My moves: Either Kikuchi or Pomeranz to fill out the rotation Moustakas 3/33 Trade Abreu to Houston for Martes and Fisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) - trade Yolmer Sanchez for Jose Martinez - trade Yonder to Yankees for 25-30 range prospect - sign Ottavino to be closer (2/20 with vesting 3rd year option depending on games finished) - sign Pollock to 4/70 - sign Dozier to 2/20 - sign Ervin Santana to 1 year deal None of these deals block the future prospects outside of Pollock, who you can easily move to a corner if Robert fulfills his potential. I've seen worse lineups than Moncada/Pollock/Abreu/Jimenez/Martinez/Palka/Dozier/Castillo/Anderson Edited December 30, 2018 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Tar and feather Rick Hahn. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Tar and feather Rick Hahn. I'll accept if he misses on both but has a plan to bring in some controllable talent. Making a panic move and trading for Encarnacion would be the nail in the coffin, IMO. It would show a stunning lack of preparation and market awareness. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, fathom said: I'll accept if he misses on both but has a plan to bring in some controllable talent. Making a panic move and trading for Encarnacion would be the nail in the coffin, IMO. It would show a stunning lack of preparation and market awareness. The lineups and signings that were posted in your post and the previous one are gag-worthy. Classic Rick Hahn specials - overpaying in the middle range of the free agent market, for guys who aren't going to make a difference long term, so that we can win 73 games and declare loudly that we're going to be right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The lineups and signings that were posted in your post and the previous one are gag-worthy. Classic Rick Hahn specials - overpaying in the middle range of the free agent market, for guys who aren't going to make a difference long term, so that we can win 73 games and declare loudly that we're going to be right there. Nobody thinks they're going to win more than 75 games this year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The lineups and signings that were posted in your post and the previous one are gag-worthy. Classic Rick Hahn specials - overpaying in the middle range of the free agent market, for guys who aren't going to make a difference long term, so that we can win 73 games and declare loudly that we're going to be right there. I don't disagree, but as things stand right now, the Sox roster is worse than it was last season. After everything they've said, I doubt the Sox want to see this team be one of the 3 worst again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Stick with the youth movement. It's only been 2 years for the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, ptatc said: Stick with the youth movement. It's only been 2 years for the rebuild. Might as well have kept Avi around then. Outside of opening day, I don't think I'm going to have much interest watching a lineup with Delmonico, Engel and Yolmer to start the season the first few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, fathom said: I don't disagree, but as things stand right now, the Sox roster is worse than it was last season. After everything they've said, I doubt the Sox want to see this team be one of the 3 worst again. I think there's a good chance they could spend the $50 million you just outlined, have 1 or 2 injuries, and wind up in the bottom of the league again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Sign a bunch of shitty 30+ year olds Claim they were all in on Manny and Harper but just couldn't afford them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1 minute ago, fathom said: Might as well have kept Avi around then. Outside of opening day, I don't think I'm going to have much interest watching a lineup with Delmonico, Engel and Yolmer to start the season the first few weeks. And you're going to be interested in watching Dozier, Ervin Santana, and Engel who is starting with Pollock on the DL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Just now, jenksycat said: Sign a bunch of shitty 30+ year olds Claim they were all in on Manny and Harper but just couldn't afford them They'll say they offered competitive contracts that far surpassed previous team highs, but they can't control where a free agent picks. That narrative has already been stated by Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Just now, Balta1701 said: And you're going to be interested in watching Dozier, Ervin Santana, and Engel who is starting with Pollock on the DL? Dozier was hurt all last year. His numbers the previous years were actually startling in terms of how good he was (fWAR). I think he's a great buy low type of guy since they want to play Moncada at 3rd. I have little interest in seeing Delmonico fly out to the warning track and Yolmer killing 20 worms on a weak grounder to 2nd base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Sign Macharper! But actually, maybe sign Pomeranz as a flip and that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, fathom said: Might as well have kept Avi around then. Outside of opening day, I don't think I'm going to have much interest watching a lineup with Delmonico, Engel and Yolmer to start the season the first few weeks. We've seen Avi. I would put Palka out there with Jimenez at the other corner. Never know where Palka goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Watch little to no baseball for another season 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 The Sox last year had 7 legit players that had a wRC+ of 100 or higher. They've already let 3 of them go in Davidson, Smith and Omar. LaMarre and Rondon are included in that number as well. Only Abreu and Palka are expected to be on the roster in 2019. That's the main reason I'm looking for some offensive short-term/long-term upgrades, as only Eloy is expected to help from the minors this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 1) Trade Alonso. See if the Yankees or Astros want him. I really don’t need a year-long reminder of missing out on Machado on the team. Plus I’d rather see Palka in the DH spot and he also can spell Abreu at 1B. 2) Sign D.J. LeMahieu to a 2 year deal. He can bat lead off or in the 2 spot. Move Moncada to 3B. Sanchez becomes your backup IF. 3) Sign Ottavino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: Watch little to no baseball for another season This is the reason the White Sox never wanted to do a true, complete rebuild. Not to pick on you individually but I think this is the sentiment of most Sox fans and the fanbase will not tolerate a true rebuild. The cubs had 4 years of losing 90+ games, the Astros had 3 straight 100 loss seasons. The Sox fan base won't tolerate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Back fill the roster and play the kids as much as possible. Figure out what you have in Palka, Delmonico, Engel, Leury and the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 57 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: What would you do in the absence of landing a big fish? My moves: Either Kikuchi or Pomeranz to fill out the rotation Moustakas 3/33 Trade Abreu to Houston for Martes and Fisher There's no reason to sign Moustakas to a multi-year deal. I would question taking on any multi-year deals to older veterans. Continue down the youth movement and be aggressive in signing/trading for premium talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Back fill the roster and play the kids as much as possible. Figure out what you have in Palka, Delmonico, Engel, Leury and the bullpen. That’s fine, but then they should be shopping Rodon. Rodon and Alonso for Andujar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ptatc said: This is the reason the White Sox never wanted to do a true, complete rebuild. Not to pick on you individually but I think this is the sentiment of most Sox fans and the fanbase will not tolerate a true rebuild. The cubs had 4 years of losing 90+ games, the Astros had 3 straight 100 loss seasons. The Sox fan base won't tolerate that. 7 of the last 8 seasons have been losing ones. They mad the playoffs 10 years ago. Barely. How much is a fan supposed to take? At what point is this not on the fan base but on the guys who have been in charge for close to 20 years? Someday, everyone will be able to block out all the filler KW and RH use when they speak, and realize even if they may be bright guys, they pretty much suck at their jobs. Edited December 30, 2018 by Dick Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, spiderman said: There's no reason to sign Moustakas to a multi-year deal. I would question taking on any multi-year deals to older veterans. Continue down the youth movement and be aggressive in signing/trading for premium talent. 3B is a hole, and they don't have any kids to play it. I don't think Burger is a true 3B and he's a couple years away at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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