Sticky Stuff Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't think so either. Though if you would have asked me a few weeks ago, I would have said Machado to the Jankees is a lock. I still have a hard time believing Machado would choose the White Sox over the Yankees. If Machado signs with the Sox and they continue to go after Harper doesn’t that show Harper the Sox are serious about winning now? A lineup with Machado, Jimenez, Abreu, and Harper isn’t a strong sell for him if the money is there? The pitching staff is still a work in progress, but if the $$$ is on the table Harper really says “no?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: I've seen a few comments saying that teams offers are kept secret even from other teams bidding, but why? Why would Machado and his agent want the teams bidding not to know what the offers are. If the teams know the highest offer then that will encourage the ones below that offer to top it with a higher number. If teams discuss their offer with other teams it is collusion because they will keep the offers lower. The agents want to tell the team that "another team" offered more to drive the price up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kyyle23 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Can always count on Phil to get to the bottom of a story 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, DH in the NL said: If Machado signs with the Sox and they continue to go after Harper doesn’t that show Harper the Sox are serious about winning now? A lineup with Machado, Jimenez, Abreu, and Harper isn’t a strong sell for him if the money is there? The pitching staff is still a work in progress, but if the $$$ is on the table Harper really says “no?” No, it's not serious about winning now. We spent $13 million on Machado's friends because that was more important than winning now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It depends on what you consider a substantial discount. As long as the discount is less than $40M, I'm not sure that I agree. It only what Manny Machado thinks is too substantial of a discount. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Remember fellas, the Sox aren't stupid. They know what their odds truly are of signing these guys. We as fans aren't in the loop but teams have thousands of backchannels to get info. Hell, Jay and Alonso probably have given the Sox Intel on their chances since they know Machado well. Using teams as leverage happens, but that doesn't mean the player won't sign. For instance, if Manny is using us for leverage and the Yankees have a final offer significantly lower than ours, Manny may still sign here. I truly do not believe we signed Jay and brought in Alonso for nothing. We have a chance. If he was so hell bent on being a Yankee, and the Yankees really wanted him, the deal would be done already. This, thank you. This is why I don't get caught up in or buy all of the "oh, the Yankees were his childhood favorite team" blah blah. If that tie to his childhood was so important to him, the Yanks could have signed him up back in November. As an adult, I am sure $$$>>>>childhood favorite team with the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Orlando said: Way to go out on a limb Phil. What's next? A hard hitting article about Moncada needing to make more contact with two strikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Way to go out on a limb Phil. What's next? A hard hitting article about Moncada needing to make more contact with two strikes? Might be a little too complex for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said: I really wish that Shane bro didnt get my hopes up. This blows. I am also losing my patience with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Relax people. Sox are very likely gonna get this done. 7 5 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, macsandz said: Relax people. Sox are very likely gonna get this done. I love you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: No, it's not serious about winning now. We spent $13 million on Machado's friends because that was more important than winning now. If now means 2019, I don't think they would win even if both Machado and Harper sign. However, over the next couple of years as more prospects show up they will. They will not contend in 2019 regardless. The signing of these players just speeds up the clock ala the Bears and Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, macsandz said: Relax people. Sox are very likely gonna get this done. I am not sure about that I don't trust dave after the Machado and Jerry at bears game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, macsandz said: Relax people. Sox are very likely gonna get this done. BUCKET BOMB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, macsandz said: Relax people. Sox are very likely gonna get this done. I wish I was anywhere near as confident about it as you are. If you know something the rest of us don't, please tell us if you can without burning your source. Machado and Harper signing elsewhere seems as just as likely as Cody Parkey missing a GW FG to eliminate the Bears. It is the running joke nationally, and it comes to fruition. Everyone laugh at Chicago. Edited January 8, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, ptatc said: If now means 2019, I don't think they would win even if both Machado and Harper sign. However, over the next couple of years as more prospects show up they will. They will not contend in 2019 regardless. The signing of these players just speeds up the clock ala the Bears and Mack. 2020 is interesting with both of them, but 2020 is by definition not "now". As long as people keep saying that "winning now" is a thing that might matter, we have to point out that even if they signed both of them there's no plausible path to winning now (other than a whole lot of guys who stank last year rapidly developing. If the MVP race order goes 1 Moncada 2 Jiminez 3 Harper and the Cy Young race is 1 Giolito 2 Lopez, ok fine then we're going to win). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, macsandz said: Relax people. Sox are very likely gonna get this done. I love you Bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, peavy44 said: I am not sure about that I don't trust dave after the Machado and Jerry at bears game. Bucket has his own source and is extremely reliable and proven, essentially take his word for gold around soxtalk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I wish I was anywhere near as confident about it as you are. If you know something the rest of us don't, please tell us if you can without burning your source. Machado and Harper signing elsewhere seems as just as likely as Cody Parkey missing a GW FG to eliminate the Bears. It is the running joke nationally, and it comes to fruition. Everyone laugh at Chicago. That's bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Sockin said: That's bucket. I know who it is, which is why the second line was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: 2020 is interesting with both of them, but 2020 is by definition not "now". As long as people keep saying that "winning now" is a thing that might matter, we have to point out that even if they signed both of them there's no plausible path to winning now (other than a whole lot of guys who stank last year rapidly developing. If the MVP race order goes 1 Moncada 2 Jiminez 3 Harper and the Cy Young race is 1 Giolito 2 Lopez, ok fine then we're going to win). I agree. Truly competing won't happen in 2019. 2020 is a possibility of one signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: If now means 2019, I don't think they would win even if both Machado and Harper sign. However, over the next couple of years as more prospects show up they will. They will not contend in 2019 regardless. The signing of these players just speeds up the clock ala the Bears and Mack. If we signed Harper and Machado this team contends for the division with another starter added. Harper, Machado, Moncada, Abreu, Eloy, and Alonso are good enough to win at least 85 with average pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, macsandz said: Relax people. Sox are very likely gonna get this done. I am not even going to say they are going to get this done, but I can respect the effort they are making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I know more about it than Dave does 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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