FT35 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Roughneck said: Using that logic, we might have gotten Justin Verlander since he grew up a huge fan of Frank Thomas. Mark Mulder would have been good for us for a few years. So unless a young star player grew up idolizing DJ Carrasco, the Sox would be limiting themselves to pretty much players who grew up on the south side. I can see that...but if your agent does the dirty work and gets it down to 2 great offers from 2 teams, you'd think at that point, you'd ask the player "your call now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: If the reports about the contract the Sox offered are true, I also agree that he is most likely to go to Philly. Yee of little faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: We've already had board insiders say it's not true Missed that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: The other offers might be that low too? First time poster. I have followed SoxTalk for over a decade. I can say with 100% certainty that it is not true. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughneck Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: The other offers might be that low too? MIght be, yes. But they aren't. Machado isn't the pretty girl who nobody asks to the prom because everybody thinks she would turn them down. If the bidding really was in that range, there would have been other teams roped in and there'd be a lot more chatter. You'd have the middling or mid-market teams like the Braves, Brewers and Twins, hell even the Mets tossing their hats into the ring, and Machado specifically reaching out to them to get them into the bidding. And that would be low enough where the Yankees could offer him a deal that would only be a modest discount from $200m. That report is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughneck Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, FT35 said: I can see that...but if your agent does the dirty work and gets it down to 2 great offers from 2 teams, you'd think at that point, you'd ask the player "your call now." I just moved into a new house, and it was a huge ordeal. Very stressful through the two days of back and forth bids. You're talking about not just considering tens of millions of dollars, but also deciding where you want to move your family for a decade and which front office you want to trust to build a team around you. That alone takes some time to consider. But realistically, the largest concern for the player by far is going to be money, so here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: First time poster. I have followed SoxTalk for over a decade. I can say with 100% certainty that it is not true. It sounds like you have some inside intel. Can you elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: How would the Sox be in the final 2 if their offer is that low? That doesn't even make any sense. For both reports to be true, the Yankees offer would have to be roughly 5-year, $160 million, then both the Sox and Phillies would have to be around 7-year, $210 million. But if that were the case, I would think a few more teams would be jumping in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Roughneck said: I just moved into a new house, and it was a huge ordeal. Very stressful through the two days of back and forth bids. You're talking about not just considering tens of millions of dollars, but also deciding where you want to move your family for a decade and which front office you want to trust to build a team around you. That alone takes some time to consider. But realistically, the largest concern for the player by far is going to be money, so here we are. Bingo! I think we just got to the essence of why he hasn't signed yet--and what the hold up is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I don't know why anyone is taking Nightengale and Levine's tweets regarding $200M for any value at all. Levine is clearly just parroting Nightengale and who knows where Nightengale gets his info. Either its a KW plant to keep bidding down or Bob is just guessing/using bad info. Neither of these guys deserve 1 second of Sox fans worrying about what they say. If Bob tweets that the Sox have reached an agreement with Machado, that's the only value he can add to this situation. Any speculative tweets on his part are BS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: I don't know why anyone is taking Nightengale and Levine's tweets regarding $200M for any value at all. Levine is clearly just parroting Nightengale and who knows where Nightengale gets his info. Either its a KW plant to keep bidding down or Bob is just guessing/using bad info. Neither of these guys deserve 1 second of Sox fans worrying about what they say. If Bob tweets that the Sox have reached an agreement with Machado, that's the only value he can add to this situation. Any speculative tweets on his part are BS. Eh, it could be literally true (i.e. the last formal offer was for x years/200 mill), but not true to the current moment of negotiations and not a take it or leave it offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, bmags said: Eh, it could be literally true (i.e. the last formal offer was for x years/200 mill), but not true to the current moment of negotiations and not a take it or leave it offer. My point is this is Nightengale and Levine we are talking about. If Rosenthal was saying this then I'd tend to believe it. Maybe it is true, but I am not going to go crazy worrying about it because Nightengale and Levine said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, bmags said: Eh, it could be literally true (i.e. the last formal offer was for x years/200 mill), but not true to the current moment of negotiations and not a take it or leave it offer. I really hope Rick isn't doing a take it or leave it offer. If it really is going to be under 300 million or just approaching that...you HAVE to do it. 13 mil of payroll already to get him interested and a way to Skyrocket the Rebuild will not happen ever again. this is the perfect storm that we MUST win if the Yankees are out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The vibe I've been given is that Nightengale is a mouthpiece for the Sox & Levine doesn't usually know much. I'm sure anything Bob puts out is whatever the Sox want him to. Levine is simply piggybacking info off of anything he sees. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: It sounds like you have some inside intel. Can you elaborate? Machado's final offers that would actually be considered were never going to be at $200M total value. No reason for anyone to be worried about that. Sox are in it to win it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Roughneck said: MIght be, yes. But they aren't. Machado isn't the pretty girl who nobody asks to the prom because everybody thinks she would turn them down. If the bidding really was in that range, there would have been other teams roped in and there'd be a lot more chatter. You'd have the middling or mid-market teams like the Braves, Brewers and Twins, hell even the Mets tossing their hats into the ring, and Machado specifically reaching out to them to get them into the bidding. And that would be low enough where the Yankees could offer him a deal that would only be a modest discount from $200m. That report is wrong. Helps to be a major market team in times like these! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, daggins said: If I were going to get incensed about a labor situation in baseball, it's the plight of minor league athletes. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, Greek-konerko said: Whatever. This guy has scoop the other another scoop. He will sign tomorrow, he did that sox offered that bob tweeted that, i had enough they busted my balls weeks now, ive lost sleep my boss threatens to fire me, call me when he decides to man up and decide(manny) As we say, Hyesa Mehsah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Even if the Sox fed Nightengale the number, that really won’t matter much in the long run. Let’s say that Nightengale tweets out the Sox offer is 7-year, $210 million. The Phillies will most likely just up that offer to 7-year, $230 million. Then the Sox will be forced to up their offer anyway. Sox and Phillies will get into a bidding war, and end up at that $270 million to $300 million number anyway. Regardless of how or where or why Nightengale got his information, I just dont see any scenario where Manny signs for anything less than a 7-year, $250 million deal (A little more than $35 million per year). So whether or not the Sox are trying to keep the Phillies offer low, I can almost guarantee the bids will reach that $250 million number at the very least. Edited January 10, 2019 by KnightsOnMintSt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Jay about to have press call so we'll see if Hahn is made available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 If this is true, aren't the Sox essentially guaranteed to get Machado? I can't see Philadelphia signing both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 FWIW Merkin on MLB Network said he expects the Sox to get one of these guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: If this is true, aren't the Sox essentially guaranteed to get Machado? I can't see Philadelphia signing both of them. Interesting to see what the offer would be then. Maybe the sox did offer 7/210 knowing Manny wouldn't go to Phil and the sox were waiting for Harper to go there and reduce Machado's leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, Sockin said: FWIW Merkin on MLB Network said he expects the Sox to get one of these guys. Yeah he was unusually positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Heyman is now saying on MLBN that the Sox have a great shot at getting Manny. So the tune is changing a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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