hi8is Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: RT @BNightengale: The #Whitesox made their 7-year, $175 million offer about two weeks ago and haven’t felt the need to alter it, and bid against themselves . Just like Martinez last year with #Redsox as @Buster_ESPN points out, whose only other known offer was a one year proposal from #Dbacks Get with the times - that was so 10 minutes ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Lack of a salary cap is definitely not the problem in baseball right now. The harshness of the new luxury tax may even be a key problem in getting the best players paid well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) Edited January 16, 2019 by whitesoxwinner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, maggsmaggs said: What should they be angry about? I am extremely critical of the White Sox, but why would they bid more than necessary? Who else has a better offer on the table? Of course this all assumes the report is true, a big if. Hahn will say they’re trying to add premium talent, and first response to him will be “why is your offer so low?” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 If the Sox can get Machado for 25-30/yr then Harper is not entirely unrealistic. I wouldn't be surprised if they were going for both as some posters have speculated. That would take some crazy negotiation savvy but given Reinsdorf's reputation that might be possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said: A hard salary cap will only make this worse. Teams already refuse to go beyond the luxury tax, why would a salary cap suddenly make them want to spend more than they already do? It will not fix what we are seeing these past two off seasons. It is not the top of the cap that is the problem it is the floor and teams pocketing revenue sharing money as profit. If you make a team spend $100M that money goes to these middle of the road free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: A hard salary cap will only make this worse. Teams already refuse to go beyond the luxury tax, why would a salary cap suddenly make them want to spend more than they already do? It will not fix what we are seeing these past two off seasons. Not if combined with a salary floor and changes to free agency eligibility rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: Hahn will say they’re trying to add premium talent, and first response to him will be “why is your offer so low?” Then he proceeds to go on and on about misreporting and how much it bothers him even though the team does the same exact thing quite frequently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 There's already a payroll floor in the MLB if im not mistaken. A salary cap would only make things worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said: I'm honestly thinking of deleting twitter and not looking at sox talk until this is all over. This is unbelievable. This whole saga has shown me that nobody, not one insider, knows what's happening or what will happen outside the team or the agent. Nice try...you’re in till the end like the rest of us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Jake said: Lack of a salary cap is definitely not the problem in baseball right now. The harshness of the new luxury tax may even be a key problem in getting the best players paid well. But its the luxury tax threshold that's kept the big spenders out and the White Sox in the mix. Take away that luxury tax threshold and its likely both players are signed to huge contracts with other teams and we would be talking about signing scraps on the FA market. Without that luxury tax threshold small market teams would begin to vanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 7/175 lololol Bring on Harper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, maggsmaggs said: What should they be angry about? I am extremely critical of the White Sox, but why would they bid more than necessary? Who else has a better offer on the table? Of course this all assumes the report is true, a big if. Like other posters have said, it opens up the chance of another party jumping into the mix. And that’s risky, because sometimes once a billionaire gets involved he doesn’t want to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said: There's already a payroll floor in the MLB if im not mistaken. A salary cap would only make things worse The payroll floor is whatever it would cost to give every player the minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: It would be the most White Sox thing ever for there to be another strike right when the team is hitting their stride. and spurred by the actions of its own owner, very very white sox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said: There's already a payroll floor in the MLB if im not mistaken. A salary cap would only make things worse Up the salary floor to like 90-95% of the luxury tax threshold (or preferably cap). That will get the money flowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, Tony said: I'm sorry, but if this is the best offer out there, this is CRIMINAL, and the owners deserve a LONG work stoppage. 100% in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If this offer is true, and they are still in the game, the Johnny Hustle comment cost Manny a ton of money. Just catching up, but THIS exactly!!! Think about it, offer so law and none of the mlb teams want want to swoop in and sign him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Like other posters have said, it opens up the chance of another party jumping into the mix. And that’s risky, because sometimes once a billionaire gets involved he doesn’t want to lose. And obviously people should just trust this organization who have effectively waded in these waters before only to come out victorious. And before anyone asks, no I don't think this is our offer as it stands today, but yes, i find it significant that two writers put out same info. It means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: It would be the most White Sox thing ever for there to be another strike right when the team is hitting their stride. LMFAO. QFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dam8610 said: Up the salary floor to like 90-95% of the luxury tax threshold (or preferably cap). That will get the money flowing. So teams would have to spend as low as $185m (90%) for this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Hector Gomez just RT'd the Passan report from over the weekend again. ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Its not a lowball offer if it is the best offer. Hahn is playing this correctly. I've said it 100 times, but why pay the man $300M if you can get him for $200M. That $100M will go a long way in filling the other 24 spots on the roster. You only blink when you need to blink. I don't disagree with your points. But another thing to consider is Manny Machado being happy playing for the White Sox. Pay him enough that he feels he's paid well for his services. Maybe that's what the Sox are doing here. Nobody will go 200 million for you. We will give you 230. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If this is really true, how low are the Cardinals and Yankees bids to not be involved here? It just doesn't seem plausible for my two cents. It does if you believe in collusion. And if you observed last off-season and now this one I'm not sure how in any Bayesian style inductive analysis you wouldn't at least consider it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, BigSexy23 said: I'm sick and tired of the media making us look like cheap pieces of shit I almost buy this as true. This completely fits the Reinsdorf=Scrooge McDuck narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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