Jon1798 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Honestly, I think the White Sox should be insulted by this. This was a flat out public accusation, and was 100% negotiating through the media. The exact thing he professes to be fighting. And I don’t see the point of the WS leaking numbers as was reported. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The real fun here is that the source of the Hahn and Lozano frustrations are probably Hahn and Lozano related. It wouldn't shock me in the least that these guys were playing both sides of the fence. In fact I would be disappointed if it were anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: Wonder if the Sox will release a statement saying they’re abiding to the CBA? This whole thing is a soap opera that doesn’t seem to be trending the Sox way. FWIW Hahn has already spoken about the reporting this offseason, and criticized it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughneck Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, BlackSox13 said: Which means the Sox are more serious than being reported by those clowns. First Hahn and now Lozano frustrated with the media. I'd say there are serious talks between the Sox and Lozano. I don't think it necessarily means they're "more serious," or in intense negotiations, just that their offer is much higher than the $175m figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: Wonder if the Sox will release a statement saying they’re abiding to the CBA? This whole thing is a soap opera that doesn’t seem to be trending the Sox way. The White Sox should absolutely make no public statement in reply to an agents statement like this. Even I'd read that as the White Sox covering something up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm mostly excited to see what Bob and Buster have to say about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I don't necessarily take that release as a shot at the Sox. Mainly because I still don't see why the Sox would leak such a low offer. As someone said, that could have been the initial offer, but further negotiations have got to taking place. Otherwise, they wouldn't be even in the running. I mentioned before that I don't think leaks are truly convincing other teams to make low ball offers. I don't see what the Sox had to gain by leaking such a low offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just reading that for the first time, I don't think that's a shot at the Sox at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, NorthSideSox72 said: Fascinating stuff. But in the end, this has no effect on the Sox' chances either way. All noise. Yup, completely agree. Just never seen an agent do this before so it's definitely interesting. 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Wonder if the Sox will release a statement saying they’re abiding to the CBA? This whole thing is a soap opera that doesn’t seem to be trending the Sox way. Hey, welcome back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo8 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Roughneck said: I don't think it necessarily means they're "more serious," or in intense negotiations, just that their offer is much higher than the $175m figure. An offer much higher than 175M is more serious is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Roughneck said: I don't think it necessarily means they're "more serious," or in intense negotiations, just that their offer is much higher than the $175m figure. Rick needs to play hardball. Call Lozano up and straight up ask him if he's accusing the Sox of leaking. If so, temporarily take the offer off the table. That'll leave his client with 0 offers and he'll look like the fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I think the fact that Lazano's statement did not mention Passan and Gomez here is really telling. Sox are probably at 8/$250M at least verbally, and Lazano is just making one last stand to try and get more money out of someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Olney will respond, his ego won't allow him to do anything less. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Wonder if the Sox will release a statement saying they’re abiding to the CBA? This whole thing is a soap opera that doesn’t seem to be trending the Sox way. Its definitely problematic. No sauces, but when you compare Sox/Philly, there has been many more rumors about the Sox, and the information has been much more specific. Its absolutely possible that Lozano is putting on a show here, but I am starting to think that someone from the Sox camp is getting too cute. This also could be why JR has to step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, almagest said: So a salary cap doesn't put a cap on individual salaries? Theoretically in any sport with a cap, a team could give one player a contract that paid them all but the amount necessary to pay the league minimum to the number of players required to fill out a roster. The sport where that would be most likely to happen, or at least come close to it, is the NBA, because of how star driven their league is. The max deal in the NBA created the additional cap space that gets spent in ways that you indicate you don't like. Thus, the cap isn't the problem, the max deal is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Not sure why I thought something involving the White Sox wouldn't end in a complete circus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jon1798 said: Honestly, I think the White Sox should be insulted by this. This was a flat out public accusation, and was 100% negotiating through the media. The exact thing he professes to be fighting. And I don’t see the point of the WS leaking numbers as was reported. Once again, this is not necessarily directed at the White Sox. The report is about the Sox because of this bogus offer that was put out there today. As you said, the Sox would have had no reason to release such a stupid number to possibly get more teams involved and if we all know that, so does Dan. Edited January 16, 2019 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Who the hell knows what's going on, but it's possible Sox got mad at Lozano thinking he leaked it to goose other teams and they're the only ones seriously at the table, so he's doing this to soothe them. Again, I have no idea, but a possible spin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: I think the fact that Lazano's statement did not mention Passan and Gomez here is really telling. Sox are probably at 8/$250M at least verbally, and Lazano is just making one last stand to try and get more money out of someone else. I would guess the fact that this was the #2 story on ESPN.com today after Olney jumped in probably played into this, that's bigger exposure than just twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Sounds like stiff drinks are in store for the majority of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, SoxFan562004 said: Who the hell knows what's going on, but it's possible Sox got mad at Lozano thinking he leaked it to goose other teams and they're the only ones seriously at the table, so he's doing this to soothe them. Again, I have no idea, but a possible spin. That's what I think it is. Really, why would the team leak that their offer was garbage? What benefit would it have to them? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaPG Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Hearing deal is not close at all. All teams in on manny upset with the media. Talks have stalled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rowand44 said: Yup, completely agree. Just never seen an agent do this before so it's definitely interesting. Hey, welcome back! You know I’ve been optimistic about Manny, but it’s starting to feel a bit to me that he only comes here by default. Not sure that would be the best situation for him then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Peacock Wrestler said: Sounds like stiff drinks are in store for the majority of us. No shit. Anyone in the western burbs wanna go get nice and liquored up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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