Jake Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I do like the "swell option" deal structure as a possible explanation for the competing claims on length and dollars. The only question is whether someone would knowingly misrepresent the offer to reporters or if perhaps the source is someone who isn't plugged in enough to understand how to convey the parameters of a proposal like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Don't count your chickens just yet What if you literally have to count your chickens? Like chicken inventory. You should probably be clear that this is a figure of speech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 So is their relationship tandem bike great or is it more sharing an ice cream cone great? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spod=Ratings Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Should we start casting for the eventual Lifetime movie? Who plays Dan Clark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Spod=Ratings said: Should we start casting for the eventual Lifetime movie? Who plays Dan Clark? I would love for a documentary to come out on something like this. Follow Manny's (any big name free agent) camp and see how things are behind the scenes with offers, rumors, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbs1969 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Swell opt definitely at play here. And actually could make Olney et al. and Passan right It’s 7 years at something lower but likely 8 at $240 million and could swell to a longer period as Passan suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I don't know how well the swellopt explains the different contract figures. It might explain the years, but I don't think it would explain the different numbers. As far as I can tell from the other swellopts this year, it doesn't include any sort of second signing bonus or increased salary during the contract, just extra years and whatever salary those are agreed to at. So if the option is for one or two years at the end of the contract, you would think those would only be for $30m/yr max. If the 7/$175 figure is correct, that would only increase it to 8/$205 and even that would mean the last year was a higher AAV than the rest of the contract. If you think the figure might be closer to the 8/$240 we were hearing before, then maybe the 7 year offer is for $210 in which case the final year would be for the same AAV as the rest of the contract. That I could see being the discussion, but it still doesn't explain the 7/$175 offer we heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Spod=Ratings said: Should we start casting for the eventual Lifetime movie? Who plays Dan Clark? Dibs on being "Angry Message Board member number 1" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, bschmaranz said: So is their relationship tandem bike great or is it more sharing an ice cream cone great? Lets hope it's a "meet at the middle of a long spaghetti noodle" kinda relationship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Lets hope it's a "meet at the middle of a long spaghetti noodle" kinda relationship. Kinky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Rowand44 said: Dibs on being "Angry Message Board member number 1" Second movie role for you after Bellas super fan in Pitch Perfect 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Second movie role for you after Bellas super fan in Pitch Perfect 3 4* GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) Well this explains why Levine was confused and thought the present value of a dollar was greater than the future value of a dollar Edited January 17, 2019 by Harry Chappas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I hate that "swellopt" became a thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Well this explains why Levine was confused and thought the present value of a dollar was greater than the future value of a dollar The present value of a dollar is greater than the future value of a dollar 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, shipps said: What if you literally have to count your chickens? Like chicken inventory. You should probably be clear that this is a figure of speech. ??? ahhh I know its figure of speech........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, mqr said: I hate that "swellopt" became a thing Infloption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbs1969 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: I don't know how well the swellopt explains the different contract figures. It might explain the years, but I don't think it would explain the different numbers. As far as I can tell from the other swellopts this year, it doesn't include any sort of second signing bonus or increased salary during the contract, just extra years and whatever salary those are agreed to at. So if the option is for one or two years at the end of the contract, you would think those would only be for $30m/yr max. If the 7/$175 figure is correct, that would only increase it to 8/$205 and even that would mean the last year was a higher AAV than the rest of the contract. If you think the figure might be closer to the 8/$240 we were hearing before, then maybe the 7 year offer is for $210 in which case the final year would be for the same AAV as the rest of the contract. That I could see being the discussion, but it still doesn't explain the 7/$175 offer we heard. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-free-agency-scott-boras-may-have-a-creative-contract-solution-for-the-bryce-harper-and-manny-machado-markets/amp/ This is a great explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSexy23 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) if we don't get machado maybe Mark Teahen will come out of retirement for us Edited January 17, 2019 by BigSexy23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, BigSexy23 said: if we don't get machado maybe Mark Teahen will come out of retirement for us You mean if we can't convince Teahen to come out of retirement, I suppose we can settle for Machado. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Peacock Wrestler said: You mean if we can't convince Teahen to come out of retirement, I suppose we can settle for Machado. Not spending the extra $ for Jeff Keppinger would be typical JR. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mbs1969 said: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-free-agency-scott-boras-may-have-a-creative-contract-solution-for-the-bryce-harper-and-manny-machado-markets/amp/ This is a great explanation. Yeah, I get all that, but those still have the per year salary of the option years being less than the per year salary of the beginning of the contract. So it still doesn't make sense with the 7/$175 deal because the last year or two would max out at $25m/yr and that would only bring the contract to 8/$200 or 9/$225 and both of those seem lower than what has been reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, Peacock Wrestler said: I would love for a documentary to come out on something like this. Follow Manny's (any big name free agent) camp and see how things are behind the scenes with offers, rumors, etc. I would love a tell-all book or something! For all the behind the scenes stuff we won't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) How long has it been since we've gone a day without any rumors? Follow-up, how long will it take for a national guy to sneak out of timeout and reach back in the cookie jar? Edited January 17, 2019 by mqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, smellysox said: I would love a tell-all book or something! For all the behind the scenes stuff we won't know about. It would be awesome to see which leaks are true, the negotiation process, Manny's feelings throughout, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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