Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:07 PM, mqr said: I think it's even better example of how people look WAY too highly at prospects. Expand When your team is sitting on a 70 win projection and that could darn well be optimistic, with the current contract rules you should be doing exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:06 PM, Balta1701 said: The fact that Fulmer even as a "maybe someone might actually fix him" last chance guy is more valuable to us than Joc is a great demonstration of why that deal is a poor fit for the White Sox. Expand I think Joc is fairly valuable to the Sox if they land Machado. I understand that you likely disagree. We have a black hole in CF for the next 2 seasons at least. I think Bummer + Fulmer is a pretty good trade for the Sox, I just personally like Fulmer and would like to give him one last real shot at a pen spot without jerking him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:06 PM, Balta1701 said: The fact that Fulmer even as a "maybe someone might actually fix him" last chance guy is more valuable to us than Joc is a great demonstration of why that deal is a poor fit for the White Sox. Expand 100% disagree here. Three months from now Fulmer could have zero value, while Joc is a cheap, useful player that could be traded at deadline and return sometime greater if necessary. The only reason you don’t make trade is if you’re convinced Driveline can return Carson to former 1st round pick glory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:08 PM, Balta1701 said: When your team is sitting on a 70 win projection and that could darn well be optimistic, with the current contract rules you should be doing exactly that. Expand I have no idea what this post means. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:00 PM, heirdog said: Yes, but I’m going off the smoke from a couple weeks ago that agreement in principle w Sox done but just waiting Realmuto deal...and IMO, Manny signing w White Sox Expand Did someone reputable actually say that there was an agreement in principle and Dodgers were just waiting for Realmuto resolution? Or was that just Soxtalk speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 We can assume Manchado wants 10/300 so maybe the Sox should step up and offer 9/270. Even so he might wait until ST is well under way before making a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:17 PM, Perfect Vision said: Did someone reputable actually say that there was an agreement in principle and Dodgers were just waiting for Realmuto resolution? Or was that just Soxtalk speculation? Expand No, there was just a rumor started by Jason Kinander and corroborated by a bunch of twitter and board insiders. It was suggested strongly that the deal was done. It hasn't happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:17 PM, Perfect Vision said: Did someone reputable actually say that there was an agreement in principle and Dodgers were just waiting for Realmuto resolution? Or was that just Soxtalk speculation? Expand No, but people strongly alleged that there was a deal very close to completion weeks ago, and the connection between that deal not happening and these talks makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:06 PM, Balta1701 said: The fact that Fulmer even as a "maybe someone might actually fix him" last chance guy is more valuable to us than Joc is a great demonstration of why that deal is a poor fit for the White Sox. Expand fulmer is nothing dude. zero faith in him rebounding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I hope its true, but I don't see a team "agreeing" to trade somebody and hold on to them just in case. If anything they would still be talking offers in hopes they will get more in return. I could be wrong (hopefully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:21 PM, Kiebs13 said: fulmer is nothing dude. zero faith in him rebounding Expand I find it too believable that a guy can be fixed when he looks for help outside of our organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) On 2/7/2019 at 8:24 PM, bmags said: I find it too believable that a guy can be fixed when he looks for help outside of our organization. Expand That's only if you think Fulmer wasn't DOA, which I am inclined to. Edited February 7, 2019 by mqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:06 PM, cjgalloway said: Fulmer is something? Expand Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:27 PM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. Expand The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:30 PM, Chicago White Sox said: The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? Expand Spin rate will definitely improve command. Makes the fastball straighter and the breaking pitches tighter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacock Wrestler Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:27 PM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. Expand SInce the Dodgers and Sox share Camelback Ranch, I wouldn't be surprised for a trade were to be made after pitchers and catchers report. It may give the Sox and Dodgers a chance to "scout" the final pieces of the trade some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:27 PM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. Expand any examples of driveline turning around a specific player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:30 PM, Chicago White Sox said: The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? Expand I agree, but I guess that's not something that they can translate in to concrete data for us. They have the cameras and pitch tracking to see velocity and spin rates. How can they prove his command is better? Either way, I'm intrigued. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:30 PM, Chicago White Sox said: The problem is how do spikes in velocity & spin rate improve his command? Expand Maybe they don't help with command per se, but hitters will not see the ball as well against him and swing at those pitches outside the zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:27 PM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. Expand Word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 If Driveline works for Fulmer, it will take an arm falling off for anyone to give up on a pitching prospect again. Fulmer's stuff was fine. He couldn't throw a strike to save his life. I don't know how more spin and higher velo corrects that unless maybe it calms down his delivery a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:32 PM, Kiebs13 said: any examples of driveline turning around a specific player? Expand Trevor Bauer I believe was the original poster boy for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 8:33 PM, Dick Allen said: If Driveline works for Fulmer, it will take an arm falling off for anyone to give up on a pitching prospect again. Fulmer's stuff was fine. He couldn't throw a strike to save his life. I don't know how more spin and higher velo corrects that unless maybe it calms down his delivery a bit. Expand His stuff was fine in college until he tinkered things to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) On 2/7/2019 at 8:35 PM, hi8is said: His stuff was fine in college until he tinkered things to death. Expand "Fine". top 10 pick worthy? Never was imo Edited February 7, 2019 by Kiebs13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) On 2/7/2019 at 8:27 PM, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Fulmer went to Driveline this winter and apparently saw huge spikes in velocity and spin rates. While I wouldn't tell the Dodgers "no" if they demanded Fulmer, I am very curious to see how that Driveline work translates for him. Expand hmm interesting. Have you heard of other pitchers going there and correcting flaws/having success Nevermind. I see your Bauer comp Edited February 7, 2019 by cjgalloway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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