Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, caulfield12 said: They have Hosmer, Myers' deal blowing up next year, $25 million to pay riff raff who are in other teams, all the money they spent over the caps on Lat Am talent, 10% of their money going to paying down debt and stadium renovations (something we most assuredly don't have to deal with.) If they somehow beat the White Sox offer, we might as well just fold up the franchise, because clearly being last in t.v. ratings for the product they've produced the last six years is not bad enough. Even if they were to make the playoffs, they're not going to get the fans 100% behind them without at least one superstar on the team. I have a couple really close lifelong friends in SD, both huge baseball fans. They categorically hate the Padres (but are still hometown fans by default), calling out specifically the outwardly-facing perceived philosophy of the franchise... not dissimilar from your comments. The fans meme about how the Padres are the team you call when you need to get rid of a bad player, a bum prospect or a long contract. Too bad they called us to get rid of Shields. #puketag Someone said if the Sox sign Harper and Machado, they'd eat their hat. If Machado chooses the Padres over the Sox, I'll eat mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They have Hosmer, Myers' deal blowing up next year, $25 million to pay riff raff who are on other teams, all the money they spent over the caps on Lat Am talent, 10% of their money going to paying down debt and stadium renovations (something we most assuredly don't have to deal with.) If they somehow beat the White Sox offer, we might as well just fold up the franchise, because clearly being last in t.v. ratings for the product they've produced the last six years is not bad enough. Even if they were to make the playoffs, they're not going to get the fans 100% behind them without at least one superstar on the team. My goodness, let's not get blinded here. There is plenty to look up to with the core of young guys coming. Manny is one guy, and last I checked the Orioles were not blowing doors with ticket demand and ratings. Big picture folks, let's not loose our heads over one guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 As we always say, there are no standings for "conducting negotiations in the most prudent and cost-effective manner." Fans only care about results. With all the teases the team and its media reps have put out there, it would be the worst blow since whiffing on Miggy due to a lack of top line minor league talent to incentivize a deal. And that's in hindsight, as this will seem much worse because of how protracted the process has been, and how bad the recent performance on the field and general apathy outside of die hards and minor league prospect addicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, HOFHurt35 said: My goodness, let's not get blinded here. There is plenty to look up to with the core of young guys coming. Manny is one guy, and last I checked the Orioles were not blowing doors with ticket demand and ratings. Big picture folks, let's not loose our heads over one guy. I'm afraid I might have already lot my head somewhere in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, fathom said: No Hector, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: As we always say, there are no standings for "conducting negotiations in the most prudent and cost-effective manner." Fans only care about results. With all the teases the team and its media reps have put out there, it would be the worst blow since whiffing on Miggy due to a lack of top line minor league talent to incentivize a deal. And that's in hindsight, as this will seem much worse because of how protracted the process has been, and how bad the recent performance on the field and general apathy outside of die hards and minor league prospect addicts. This would be infinitely worse than missing on Miguel Cabrera, as you can't make teams like your prospects more than someone else. This is all about money if it's between Sox and Padres. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, HOFHurt35 said: My goodness, let's not get blinded here. There is plenty to look up to with the core of young guys coming. Manny is one guy, and last I checked the Orioles were not blowing doors with ticket demand and ratings. Big picture folks, let's not loose our heads over one guy. That was before Kopech's TJ, Moncada going sideways and Giolito pitching like Jerry Kutzler. Without Jimenez, Cease and Robert, we'd be in a world of hurt right now. We still might have to rely more on the Indians losing a war of financial attrition to the baseball gods that cursed Cleveland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: So, the Sox spend 700 million dollars on 2 players over the next 10 years..cmon man. This isn't The Show There will be opt outs after 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Best thread title yet. The Padres being used to drive up the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: That was before Kopech's TJ, Moncada going sideways and Giolito pitching like Jerry Kutzler. Without Jimenez, Cease and Robert, we'd be in a world of hurt right now. We still might have to rely more on the Indians losing a war of financial attrition to the baseball gods that cursed Cleveland. I think Kopech and Moncada will be fine. Giolito is terrible. But it's only one full season for those guys, Kopech even less. I think that's more of where the angst comes from for Sox fans, seeing the young guys come up and struggle from day one or get hurt coming out of bed. And that's acceptable. But I don't see how Manny fixes that. We'd need 5 Manny Machado's if everyone of these young guys comes up and flops here at the big league level. The key to our success is not going to be to get one of these so called "whales." Player development. Can these young elite prospects meet their ceilings at the big league level? That's my biggest concern. Edited February 14, 2019 by HOFHurt35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: My goodness, let's not get blinded here. There is plenty to look up to with the core of young guys coming. Manny is one guy, and last I checked the Orioles were not blowing doors with ticket demand and ratings. Big picture folks, let's not loose our heads over one guy. It’s pretty obvious the Sox planned for this offseason to land a superstar. Yea, missing out won’t halt the rebuild, but this offseason will be a massive failure if they fail to convert on Manny or Harper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, Ben Waffleson said: Translation: stay positive? Yeah, we’re going to land at least one 10 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Now remember that Paul Crane guy tweeted this morning that SD was out after a final push this week. And that Manny made his choice to the Sox. We all kind of blew him off. At least I did. Also because he said the Yankees were out on Harper. So maybe he did have something? Edited February 15, 2019 by smellysox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, iamshack said: Yeah, we’re going to land at least one NOTED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: I think Kopech and Moncada will be fine. Giolito is terrible. But it's only one full season for those guys, Kopech even less. I think that's more of where the angst comes from for Sox fans, seeing the young guys come up and struggle from day one or get hurt coming out of bed. And that's acceptable. But I don't see how Manny fixes that. We'd need 5 Manny Machado's if everyone of these young guys comes up and flops here at the big league level. The key to our success is not going to be to get one of these so called "whales." Player development. Can these young elite prospects meet their ceilings at the big league level? That's my biggest concern. I'm extremely confident in Jimenez, Madrigal and Robert...but the pitching is going to be by far the biggest question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I already miss #GloveGate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 So Passan is reporting this is the 2nd time the Padres have met with Manny this offseason. That's.....not good http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25999336/manny-machado-san-diego-padres-meet-second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, fathom said: So Passan is reporting this is the 2nd time the Padres have met with Manny this offseason. That's.....not good http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25999336/manny-machado-san-diego-padres-meet-second Passan reported after the first meeting that it was only Machado reps. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Kiebs13 said: Passan reported after the first meeting that it was only Machado reps. thanks, there have been so many reports that have come out and then refuted it's hard to keep track 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, iamshack said: Yeah, we’re going to land at least one please sir, may I have some more information 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: I think Kopech and Moncada will be fine. Giolito is terrible. But it's only one full season for those guys, Kopech even less. I think that's more of where the angst comes from for Sox fans, seeing the young guys come up and struggle from day one or get hurt coming out of bed. And that's acceptable. But I don't see how Manny fixes that. We'd need 5 Manny Machado's if everyone of these young guys comes up and flops here at the big league level. The key to our success is not going to be to get one of these so called "whales." Player development. Can these young elite prospects meet their ceilings at the big league level? That's my biggest concern. I'm going into this season rooting for and hoping for the best for and from Giolito. Give him a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Starting to wonder if Harper and Machado will sit out the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Orlando said: Padres are the biggest threat. The Athletic said that Manny wouldn’t meet without meeting a certain amount. The fact that they met is scary. Or exactly the posturing Manny’s camp is going for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said: Passan reported after the first meeting that it was only Machado reps. Translate as Lozano giving Preller a chance to convince Machado to go to SD to play with Tatis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, iamshack said: Yeah, we’re going to land at least one 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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