daggins Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Not sure how "Reinsdorf is negotiating directly with Lozano, so it's in his hands now" has morphed into "Hahn can do wrong". Fire his ass tomorrow, I don't care, he hasn't done shit, but know that nothing is going to change as long as the chairman is in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, GermanSoxFan said: Exactly. However, two generational talents being available without competition from the usual big spenders is a gift from the heavens that will take pressure off the prospects to perform. Signing Machado would make Hahn's job so much easier. He also clearly targeted this market as part of the rebuild and routinely fails at execution in free agency so, yeah he deserves to be judged. If Sox don’t land Machado, do me a favor and make a list of white Sox free agent signings since he took over and cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I’m so addicted to this crap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: So you'd rather give a 2-3 year deal to a mediocre player than a long term deal to a superstar in his prime like Machado? That makes sense. You get more bang for your buck with the mediocre player actually, as crazy as it sounds. Payroll flexibility is a huge asset that is probably more important than any player. Edited February 18, 2019 by Jack Parkman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkling36 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: If you look at player aging curves post-Roids it is almost never a good idea to sign a free agent to a long term deal, even at age 25-26. Dude, I rarely post but you are so negative about everything. Do you ever say anything positive? Do you even have a positive thought? Everything is doom and gloom with you. Have a happy thought once in awhile. It’s okay. 26 year old super stars in their prime are always a good idea. So what if the last 2-3 years might be an overpay. The bulk of the deal will be worth it if they get one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If you look at player aging curves post-Roids it is never a good idea to sign a free agent to a long term deal, even at age 25-26. As crazy as it sounds, the data says their best years are already behind them. This really isn't true. You're getting 1/2 the career of a player who is on a path that should put them into the Hall of Fame. Things can implode, but they shouldn't. On paper, signing Machado for $500 million would be more effective spending than any FA contract we've signed this decade other than the minimum dollar ones and Abreu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: You get more bang for your buck with the mediocre player actually. Then the white Sox of the last decade should have been a power house. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: You get more bang for your buck with the mediocre player actually. Absolutely not. The mid-level of the Free Agent market is the absolute utter worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: You get more bang for your buck with the mediocre player actually. I'm pretty sure people have backed up on here that players similar to Machado have gone on to do great from their age 26-34 seasons but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: If you look at player aging curves post-Roids it is never a good idea to sign a free agent to a long term deal, even at age 25-26. As crazy as it sounds, the data says their best years are already behind them. For players who have put up numbers like these guys, there is a pretty good chance it will work out, https://blogs.fangraphs.com/harper-machado-betts-and-history/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: This really isn't true. You're getting 1/2 the career of a player who is on a path that should put them into the Hall of Fame. Things can implode, but they shouldn't. On paper, signing Machado for $500 million would be more effective spending than any FA contract we've signed this decade other than the minimum dollar ones and Abreu. While that is true, it is ok if you understand what you're getting, which is a depreciating asset. The data says they're both unlikely to have a season as good as their best completed season from here forward. Players don't get better, they only get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Lmao pure typical white sox loser syndrome?? Id quickly leave this franchise if the sox lose out on harper and machado within reasonable contracts What an absolute abhorrent thing to believe. Genuinely, leave the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I feel like we have been in this so called panic room before, we will escape it again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, bmags said: He also clearly targeted this market as part of the rebuild and routinely fails at execution in free agency so, yeah he deserves to be judged. If Sox don’t land Machado, do me a favor and make a list of white Sox free agent signings since he took over and cry. David Robertson was alright I guess. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 BOB BOMB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 8yr/at least 240m, so basically that tells us nothing, the deferrals make me think this isnt really an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Waffleson Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, justBLAZE said: BOB BOMB Lol hes so cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooseman Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 My biggest thing is the Sox could've cooled all the expectations down all winter by down playing our interest and if we got one or the other or both it could be a holy shit moment. Instead they embraced it and promoted their interest to us the fans. Barring an insane offer of like 375 million they better get this done. And considering the Tatis deal they better not lose out again to SD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Yeah, no reason to panic right now. Is he really going to the Padres? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tony said: Payroll flexibility....so you can sign a FA like Machado. This reminds me of the people who argue that the Bears lost the Mack trade because it ruined their cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: You get more bang for your buck with the mediocre player actually, as crazy as it sounds. Payroll flexibility is a huge asset that is probably more important than any player. Payroll flexibility only means something if you use it to get a star like Machado. Having payroll flexibility and then signing the Melky Cabrera's and David Robertson's of the world doesn't get you anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Ben Waffleson said: Lol hes so cute It's the beard isn't it? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, DirtySox said: Ok. Now we have a tweet that aligns with our desires. Time for the thread to get overly optimistic again? So KW was told they have to top this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Similar to that signing bonus tweet, is deferred money taxed at the state of residence because the player isn't working in the other states? Because if that is the case then the deferrals might actually be good instead of bad lie we would assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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