fathom Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Flash Tizzle said: I can’t fault the Padres or Tatis/Machado. I get their success doesn’t reflect well on us, but it’s not their fault Hahn is an idiot and JR is cheap. Id rather hope Eloy does that mystical thing prospects do across the league everywhere....succeed immediately. Well, Preller should have been banned from baseball. Besides that, no issues with padres. I would just rather see that these guys fail. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The only rational thing to hope for at this juncture is for Tatis to get his right foot amputated and for Manny to get decapitated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi Town Sox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Lillian said: How can you be so confident that such arguments were not presented? Maybe ownership just wouldn't agree to give Machado $300 Million. Moreover, I understood that J. R. had taken over the negotiating responsibility, in the Machado case. This is what nobody knows and what nobody will ever find out unless maybe when Hahn and KW are no longer in the organization and want to talk. The owner makes the decisions, anybody that has had to report any type of sale or deal to the owner of a private company they worked for knows how difficult these processes can be to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Lillian said: I'm only up to page 804 of this collective rant, but I'd like to interject that it seems unfair to fault Hahn or K. W. for this failure. If ownership told them that they would not go beyond a certain level, that pretty much tied their hands. It's hard to imagine that they will now turn their attention to Harper, who is seeking even more money. Although it is possible that they are prepared to spend more on him, than they were on Machado. I seriously doubt it, as I'm sure do most of you. I do not want to watch Alonso and Jay taking at bats away from youngsters, who may have a place on this team, going forward, or could develop into useful trade chips. I would much prefer to see what we have in Palka and even Engel, than watch two guys who have no future with this team. I hope that they will be able to remove those guys from the roster, even if they have to practically give them away and eat the contracts. If not, the front office will have done precisely what they vowed not to do, ie; acquire short term fixes, which do not at all fit the "long term" plan. The one thing that seems a little inconsistent to me is the first response from K. W., in which he expressed such surprise, as though he wasn't given a chance to top the Padres' bid. Then, in the next breadth, he says that they just couldn't go 10 years and $300 Million. So, which is it? It is absolutely fair to fault Hahn and KW for raising the expectations of the fan base if they knew JR wouldn't go above $300 million. A competent front office would know that there was a good chance that Machado would get that type of offer from at least one team, and would make appropriate comments to the media downplaying their own chances. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ben Waffleson said: They probably feel the same as us Well maybe not Jose Rondon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, fathom said: And allow you to spend more on player payroll Not to mention, they make the game more fun. You think all 30K of the fans at Kopech's first game were die-hards? That stadium was electric. I would love if casual fans started to come back to the games. Edited February 19, 2019 by gusguyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Next week starts another exciting year of White Sox irrelevance. How different it would have been hitting camp with Machado. Ton of positive buzz and energy around the team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said: It is absolutely fair to fault Hahn and KW for raising the expectations of the fan base if they knew JR wouldn't go above $300 million. A competent front office would know that there was a good chance that Machado would get that type of offer from at least one team, and would make appropriate comments to the media downplaying their own chances. Not to mention bringing in his friends and family, at a massive opportunity cost, in order to "talk him down" from the hard money. When has that ever worked in sports? Like once out of hundreds of thousands of contracts? Did they seriously think they were going to make up 50 million guaranteed on the strength of "hey your buddies are here!"? FFS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I'm getting sick of hearing about how it was a great offer because of incentives. If JR didnt want to spend 300 million, those incentives were probably shit. Otherwise, they would have just guaranteed 300 million. Hahn and KW also did a shit job convincing their boss to spend an extra 5 million per year over 10 years to A. Energize and give hope to this fanbase, leading to more asses in seats and advertising dollars. B. Prove to your customers you truly want to win, and their hard earned money isn't going to waste. C. Giving your brand an elite talent that everyone nationally talks about. Playing games on national TV etc. Other top players wanting to sign, creating an avalanche of good vibes. D. You wouldn't have to deal with the backlash today. America wouldn't view you and your Org as cheap, incompetent, lousy, and not worth of a click or mention. All of this over 2 years and 50 million that could be traded with a prospect if you didnt want it anymore. The rebuild is still on, but the fact that they chased Manny means they know they need a talent like his. Thus, you have lost the fans trust and respect. We will be back when games are won at a higher than average rate, guaranteed. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Flash Tizzle said: Next week starts another exciting year of White Sox irrelevance. How different it would have been hitting camp with Machado. Ton of positive buzz and energy around the team I feel bad for James. He's gotta cover this shit. He won't spin it tho I love that about him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 With the leaks of the Sox offer and the Hahn and Kenny press conferences it's like a choose your own adventure story of how the White Sox fucked this up. TOO CHEAP: TURN TO PAGE 164 INCOMPETENT NEGOTIATORS: TURN TO PAGE 189 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I guess it looks like Moustakas knew manny was signing in Sd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 This feels like waking up from a dream where your traveling the world with pretty women and nice cars to grab your lunch pail and head back into the coal mine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Please shut up Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 White Sox fans on twitter are fucking pissed right now, it's not just 50 people on soxtalk. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Orlando said: If the contract could have reached 350 then there was probably a swell opt. That is a good offer. NOT. GOOD. ENOUGH. ENOUGH !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, SCCWS said: Huh??? Who wants those type of fans? They are the ones who arrive in the 2nd inning, need a scorecard to know who is on the home team and leave to beat the traffic in the 8th. That's how Cubs afford their huge payroll 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Orlando said: Please shut up Tim Fuck that TA is one of the few reasons to watch this club and he's 100% right. People are dumb man. They don't get how pro athletes are wired. If TA was worried about Manny he isn't TA. He isn't some broke ass AA kid that didn't even pick up a bat until 14 or so and then made it through CC to a 1st round pick and now to a 25 million dollar guaranteed deal. He's TA man! He ain't scurred. None of these pro guys are. Sure there are moments, but they are made of sterner stuff than you and I for the most part. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: Fuck that TA is one of the few reasons to watch this club and he's 100% right. People are dumb man. They don't get how pro athletes are wired. If TA was worried about Manny he isn't TA. He isn't some broke ass AA kid that didn't even pick up a bat until 14 or so and then made it through CC to a 1st round pick and now to a 25 million dollar guaranteed deal. He's TA man! He ain't scurred. None of these pro guys are. Sure there are moments, but they are made of sterner stuff than you and I for the most part. I'll care more about what TA thinks when he's putting up Manny numbers. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: As general manager, it is absolutely Rick Hahn's job to identify targets and make things palatable to ownership. How did people talk ownership into deals like Melky Cabrera when they were already at their supposed payroll limit? Rick Hahn blew $40 million on crap this offseason and maybe made the team a game or two better in the process, and that's not counting offering Abreu arbitration. If ownership wouldn't go beyond $250, then it is Rick Hahn's job to sit down and say "Here's the plan" and if ownership gives him difficulty he responds "ok then I will free up an extra $15 million here by playing Davidson at 1b and letting Abreu walk, I'll sign Shields instead of Nova, I'll run with a cheaper closer, there's your $50 million right there". Ownership mighta been jerks, but this is directly at Rick Hahn's doorstep, #1. I disagree. We have no clue what transpired in the process. We can blame the entire front office but we have no idea if Jerry, Kenny or Rick was mostly to blame. Remember, if Jerry thinks Kenny and/or Rick screwed it up, he can fire them. But as I posted last week, Jerry turns 84 next week so for all we know he may not know what Kenny and Rick do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: I'm getting sick of hearing about how it was a great offer because of incentives. If JR didnt want to spend 300 million, those incentives were probably shit. Otherwise, they would have just guaranteed 300 million. Hahn and KW also did a shit job convincing their boss to spend an extra 5 million per year over 10 years to A. Energize and give hope to this fanbase, leading to more asses in seats and advertising dollars. B. Prove to your customers you truly want to win, and their hard earned money isn't going to waste. C. Giving your brand an elite talent that everyone nationally talks about. Playing games on national TV etc. Other top players wanting to sign, creating an avalanche of good vibes. D. You wouldn't have to deal with the backlash today. America wouldn't view you and your Org as cheap, incompetent, lousy, and not worth of a click or mention. All of this over 2 years and 50 million that could be traded with a prospect if you didnt want it anymore. The rebuild is still on, but the fact that they chased Manny means they know they need a talent like his. Thus, you have lost the fans trust and respect. We will be back when games are won at a higher than average rate, guaranteed. You’d think they would tell him one less shitty player, per year, over the course of the contract evens out the deal compared to where they were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: at least we have the best beat writer in baseball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, SCCWS said: I disagree. We have no clue what transpired in the process. We can blame the entire front office but we have no idea if Jerry, Kenny or Rick was mostly to blame. Remember, if Jerry thinks Kenny and/or Rick screwed it up, he can fire them. But as I posted last week, Jerry turns 84 next week so for all we know he may not know what Kenny and Rick do. Failing to sign a game-changing free agent when everything has lined up in your favor is absolutely an organizational failure. This isn't just on Jerry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HakunaMachado Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Manny is going to sure look strange playing in SD with those custom white Sox gloves.... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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