Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, TomPickle said: This is worse than a cheap owner. This is an incompetent front office. Even when the money was there for them they couldn't close the deal. Only plate appearances (or IP for pitchers) and awards can be offered as incentives. The 30 million extra was probably for MVP, Gold Glove, or Silver Slugger awards. Once again... if manny is good enough to warrant the contract then having dumb silver slugger and gold glove incentives should make that an easy sign for him. Just my opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So he DH's. If manny is do bad years 9 and 10 that you cant even bank on him starting then arguing you should guarantee those years is risky imo. Then you're giving 8 years 300 million which is too much. OR THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN HIM 10 YEARS 300 MILLION LIKE HE SIGNED FOR 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So he DH's. If manny is do bad years 9 and 10 that you cant even bank on him starting then arguing you should guarantee those years is risky imo. Then you're giving 8 years 300 million which is too much. You keep looking at this from Jerry's point of view. Manny isn't going to risk 70 million on the chance we haven't found a new 3B and DH. If he is an average player at 35 we would not pay him 35 million. No chance of that. Also you have to take on the risk to get the player. We need them, not the other way around. Edited February 19, 2019 by SonofaRoache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, almagest said: If they're so loyal why not guarantee the last 2 years? He'll have absolutely given you his best in the previous years so take care of him 100% from the get go. I could list examples all day but Jerry reinsdorf paying Jay William's his entire bonus despite there being a clause in his contract saying its void if he rode a motor cycle... then Jay williams had the nerve to RIP the organization. He also lent money to Thomas during his divorce. His loyalty within with former players and etc shows that. Giving a job to randy brown when he was going bankrupt and pippen. Jerry is a loyal guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Manny wasnt worth 8 years 300 million imo so if you're arguing his last two years are worthless then you should feel better about missing out on this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So he DH's. If manny is do bad years 9 and 10 that you cant even bank on him starting then arguing you should guarantee those years is risky imo. Then you're giving 8 years 300 million which is too much. I won't argue that the Sox are an extremely loyal organization, but they are also one of the cheapest. If Jerry is still alive and kicking, they absolutely would try to prevent those options from vesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I could list examples all day but Jerry reinsdorf paying Jay William's his entire bonus despite there being a clause in his contract saying its void if he rode a motor cycle... then Jay williams had the nerve to RIP the organization. He also lent money to Thomas during his divorce. His loyalty within with former players and etc shows that. Giving a job to randy brown when he was going bankrupt and pippen. Jerry is a loyal guy. Jerry is 82. Youre bettting $50mil on an 82 year old being loyal 8 years from now. Id rip any agent who did that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just went through 40+ pages or whatever it was since this morning hoping it’ll help me cope...nope! Absolutely gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I could list examples all day but Jerry reinsdorf paying Jay William's his entire bonus despite there being a clause in his contract saying its void if he rode a motor cycle... then Jay williams had the nerve to RIP the organization. He also lent money to Thomas during his divorce. His loyalty within with former players and etc shows that. Giving a job to randy brown when he was going bankrupt and pippen. Jerry is a loyal guy. Jay William's money was 3 million and he didnt have to pay his full contract, so he saved money anyway. How much did he lend to big Frank? Was it 35 million and another 35 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I won't argue that the Sox are an extremely loyal organization, but they are also one of the cheapest. If Jerry is still alive and kicking, they absolutely would try to prevent those options from vesting. Give me evidence of this organization ever cheating out on their own players and doing something like this. The Sox paid out bonuses they didnt owe after world series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Like when he told Jordan he was gonna regret giving him that contract? He does look out for guys, but in the Sox case we are in new territory. 68 million is still our high mark. That's embarrassing to be honest. We have been blown out of the water now by the Machado and Hosmer deals, and Myers is probably pretty close, too. Then there’s Tatis coming, lol. Might be 4 before all is said and done....we can never call the White Sox a large market organization again. Let’s not forget our second biggest deal in history is JohnFreaking Danks, lol. I’m pretty sure Buehrle, Konerko or Magglio are in a close battle for third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Manny wasnt worth 8 years 300 million imo so if you're arguing his last two years are worthless then you should feel better about missing out on this. We wouldn't have given him 8 years and 300 million. We are saying pay him 10 years and 300 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, SonofaRoache said: Jay William's money was 3 million and he didnt have to pay his full contract, so he saved money anyway. How much did he lend to big Frank? Was it 35 million and another 35 million? He didnt owe ANY of it. I'd love to see you give 3 million away. Puhleeze. You arguing he should have paid the guy his contract too while he career was over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Give me evidence of this organization ever cheating out on their own players and doing something like this. The Sox paid out bonuses they didnt owe after world series. That obviously didn't matter to Machado. Know who you are trying to sign a contract with and adjust your offer accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Why the hell is Jerry so cheap? He literally bought the team for an equivalent of 50 million today and the team is worth 1.5 billion now. What the fuck is wrong with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Give me evidence of this organization ever cheating out on their own players and doing something like this. The Sox paid out bonuses they didnt owe after world series. That will surely boost morale at the ghost town formerly known as US Cellular. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I've avoided this board all day, but I will only say one thing. This is all Jerry Reinsdorf's fault. The options don't mean anything, if you're willing to go that high just put it in fricken guarantees. This was embarrassing and pathetic. Jerry, please do us all a favor and sell the team. Also, a big middle finger and **** you to Jerry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, caulfield12 said: That will surely boost morale at the ghost town formerly known as US Cellular. So what... I'm pointing out you can attack Jerry for a lot of things but not acting in good faith in regards to a contract signed is not one of them and you cant argue he doesnt take care of his people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Give me evidence of this organization ever cheating out on their own players and doing something like this. The Sox paid out bonuses they didnt owe after world series. The A's did it like two years ago. The Sox currently artificial suppressing their best assets Salary. So.. Edited February 19, 2019 by mqr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 You can't fault Machado, it was a no brainer to pick going to SD. Fuck this front office, bunch of clowns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: The A's did it like two years ago. They're currently artificial suppressing their best assets Salary. So.. ... uh ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He didnt owe ANY of it. I'd love to see you give 3 million away. Puhleeze. You arguing he should have paid the guy his contract too while he career was over? Jay William's was under contract getting paid millions. His contract was voided and JR took that money and gave it to him. Good gesture, yes, but not the end of the word. If I were a Billionaire with Jordan as my legacy I assure you I'd have no problem dishing out three million. Of course he gave out bonuses after the WS, he just won a title. Philly Eagles gave Nick Foles a million dollar bonus he didnt technically earn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: What the fuck? Manny should be pissed or hes just a dumbass. Does he plan on sitting out the last two years of his deal with the Padres? This makes it much worse. Incentives arent even that hard to hit. 6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He didnt owe ANY of it. I'd love to see you give 3 million away. Puhleeze. You arguing he should have paid the guy his contract too while he career was over? People are arguing against your comment that Machado is a dumbass for taking $50mil guaranteed over the maybe $70mil that was entirely out of his hands. Your counter argument was, JR, an 82 year old man, would make sure he is taken care of 8 years from now. Im sorry, $50mil guaranteed is worth more than that. If JR would make sure he was going to take care of Machado, why not give him 2 years $50mil more and be done with it? Edited February 19, 2019 by Soxbadger 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bad Hombre said: Just went through 40+ pages or whatever it was since this morning hoping it’ll help me cope...nope! Absolutely gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I don't know why WSD and several others are angry at Machado. I would have done the same thing if I were in his position. We all need to be pissed at Reinsdorf, this is his fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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