Vote4Pedro Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Sockin said: Bruce also hinting that offer is around $200 mil. Bruce Levine is just reporting on what’s already been put out there, nothing new. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sockin said: Bruce also hinting that offer is around $200 mil. How could that possibly be a serious offer???? I couldn't even imagine.... Edited January 10, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Gio on a year deal is interesting to line up for when cease is ready...and makes you a bit more competitive this year... adding Keuchel means you are giving up on either Giolito or Lopez for 2020 since that rotation should be... Rodon Kopech Cease Keuchel Lopez 6th starter - Giolito with Dunning breathing down his neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sockin said: Bruce also hinting that offer is around $200 mil. Dunn...smh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: *** that being said, if Harpers market is bad too (let's say Manny signs for 8/260 or something... which is well below the projections of the 10/330 type deals before the offseason starts) then I think you a FINAL and BEST offer to Harper and walk. Be like we'll do 10 years and $340mm... take or leave it. Why with this strategy? Just sign Machado, then focus on signing Harper properly without any ultimatums. White Sox should get both and I think it's realistic that they do. 8 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I've seen some posts with future lineups including Machado and Harper, and as much as I like that idea, how realistic is it? Provided the Sox sign Machado, what other moves should they make if not Harper? Would adding Pollack make any sense at this point since Jay was signed? Another starter would be great along with a little more bullpen help. Now, if they get Machado and not Harper than there's a few ways they can go of course. Our OF still sucks. Eloy is the only real piece. Jay is fine. Signing Pollock would make sense then. I'd be cool with that. Bullpen is kinda set right now. Sure it'd be *nice* to get another piece, but I think that the W'Sox feel it's safe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sockin said: Bruce also hinting that offer is around $200 mil. This isn't true though. They've offered more $$ than Abreu's contract to other players. Alex Gordon and Tanaka included. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Roughneck said: You're right that each team has its own goals, but they are also trying to sign the player for as little money as possible. The Sox might have set a 10 year/330 limit for Machado, but could still be offering 7/250 at this point. Manny has a set number he wants, but it looks like he's not going to get it. So this is about beating the other team's offer, provided Manny wants to sign for the most money. Meh, that's kinda true, but money might be the thing that the Sox are willing give. They are trying to sign him for a package that works for their franchise. Part of that is money, part is opt outs, part is no trade clauses, options, suites on the road, etc. In other words, it's easy to say that Machado wants $325M, but what is he willing to give up to get it? Trade protections? Opt outs? The Sox might be willing to go 10/$350, but they need flexibility to trade him if the deal isn't working out. Does Manny want a full no-trade too so he can negotiate a payment to waive the clause? This is how deals get complicated and take time to complete. I guess I should add that a player might only care about final dollars and the rest is window dressing. For the Sox, as a rebuilding organization, the money has to be high, but the player has to feel like they can leave if the team isn't competing. I think that's where this deal is right now. That's a tough hill to climb. Edited January 10, 2019 by G&T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 How does Machado getting $260 and Harper getting $340 play out in the clubhouse? I am thinking not well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 If this is true, no way we get Machado, unless the other offers are just not at all what they thought would be. Starting to think Machado to Philly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This isn't true though. They've offered more $$ than Abreu's contract to other players. Alex Gordon and Tanaka included. It's Bruce we are talking about here though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 And the next strike is going to be a long one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: How does Machado getting $260 and Harper getting $340 play out in the clubhouse? I am thinking not well. Makes no difference compared to any other club. Why would it be a problem? Everyone knows the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Makes no difference compared to any other club. Why would it be a problem? Everyone knows the game. Right? You signed that dotted line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Why with this strategy? Just sign Machado, then focus on signing Harper properly without any ultimatums. White Sox should get both and I think it's realistic that they do. Now, if they get Machado and not Harper than there's a few ways they can go of course. Our OF still sucks. Eloy is the only real piece. Jay is fine. Signing Pollock would make sense then. I'd be cool with that. Bullpen is kinda set right now. Sure it'd be *nice* to get another piece, but I think that the W'Sox feel it's safe. I think you quoted the wrong person, or I posted something I have no memory of typing, hahahaahhahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 We have to keep in mind that no one knows what the actual offers have been...aside from the Sox and Machado of course. Regardless, he's going to want more than $200M over 7 years. If it ends up being a 7-year deal, the total money will have to be closer to $250M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Right? You signed that dotted line. All this would really do is for Manny to tell Harper...Damn, I shoulda sold my soul to the devil (boras) also in ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 All these reports that the White Sox and Phillies are the final 2. But with an offer off $200 million, there is no way the Yankees aren’t involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I think you quoted the wrong person, or I posted something I have no memory of typing, hahahaahhahahaha I thought the same thing. It was my post with your username. I thought maybe the mods changed my name...they did that once before when I was slightly hammered and asking about how to change my username. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: If this is true, no way we get Machado, unless the other offers are just not at all what they thought would be. Starting to think Machado to Philly... Y2Jimmy has already said that the Sox aren't being cheap and has implied that the offer is (or will be) much greater than that. I'd bet good money that the Sox fed this info to Bob in order to depress the Phillies offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughneck Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: All these reports that the White Sox and Phillies are the final 2. But with an offer off $200 million, there is no way the Yankees aren’t involved. Yep. Because the Yanks might not be offering $200m, but current offers around $200m would put them in the ballpark with something like 6 years/$175 mil. No way they are out if that's actually where the bidding is at this point. Edited January 10, 2019 by Roughneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, KnightsOnMintSt said: All these reports that the White Sox and Phillies are the final 2. But with an offer off $200 million, there is no way the Yankees aren’t involved. I actually remember hearing that Yankees were like 5 years 150 or so (rumors) so this actually would be 50 million more. I just can't see Phillies coming in under 250-275 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I will say this, if Machado and Harper both end up signing for less than $300M, if i'm the players I go on strike on August 1st, 2019. No waiting. Too many players are getting screwed. They can't afford to wait this out. There is nothing that prevents them from going on strike and negotiating a better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 If we as fans can figure that these tweets about low offers are a possible way to get other teams to react, don't you think the teams are smart enough to realize that? I can't imagine the Phillies seeing these tweets and saying, "Okay we only need to offer $225M to get him." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Nats just signed Dozier for 1 year/ 9mil. The Harper focus is gonna be strong soon for Phillies (Saturday) and now Nationals having their lineup set minus Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: I will say this, if Machado and Harper both end up signing for less than $300M, if i'm the players I go on strike on August 1st, 2019. No waiting. Too many players are getting screwed. They can't afford to wait this out. There is nothing that prevents them from going on strike and negotiating a better deal. Big changes are absolutely needed. I haven't spent too much time looking into it -- but it feels like Executives in the front office are pocketing more of the money and are using the young players who make next to nothing to field their team. MLB Players need to get paid significantly more for the years that they are valuable (younger years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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