southsideirish71 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 MLB channel is saying that the Phillies are looking to get Machado, Harper and Keuchel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughneck Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, bmags said: Sorry, my comment was snarky and not at you. Where I think NBA cap works is it effectively raised the salary for the median nba player. It did not help the superstar nba player. And, quite honestly in baseball I do think a salary cap would make the yankees even more dominant. Baseball players would be better served imo to fight to cut team control to 4 years with a 5th year option tied to the average salary of the top 10 players in the position or something like that. Teams rightly don't want to pay for players as they decline, but that means they shouldn't get to underpay them when they are. That would really hurt vets immediately but I fully believe middle tier players would do better after 2-3 years. For the NBA, it's not just the cap but the max contracts. What could Lebron get in an open market with no caps or max? $80 mil a year? $90 mil? But he can only get $40 or so, which means he's losing a great deal, but mediocre or bad players are gaining more. And I don't see how a cap would help he Yankees, other than their pocket books. I think a cap would be basically a more formal version of what we have had of late - teams would spend big for top talent, and it would essentially come down to what percentage of their finite payroll certain teams would be willing to give to a superstar player. But the current system is a disaster for the players. It is effectively a cap, but with none of the revenue-sharing increasing their salaries annually. But I agree with the rest of the stuff you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, IowaPG said: Not True. KW is always involved in FA and international signings . May not be the lead negotiater, but normally always present and opinionated. So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, southsideirish71 said: MLB channel is saying that the Phillies are looking to get Machado, Harper and Keuchel. Bartender, ill have a double of what MLBN is having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil? Do you really think the Yankees would have left the table if the offer was really 7/175 though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tony said: Anyone crying about the owners or "market price" need to read this. The system is BROKEN and we shouldn't be giving owners a pass. https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/1/10/18176833/manny-machado-bryce-harper-free-agency-value Tony, been saying this since last offseason. The MLBPA team reps should be huddling to discuss removing Tony Clark from his position as chief negotiator. They really got bent over on the last round of negotiations. There aren't enough likes for this post. If there's nothing stopping them from going on strike during the middle of a CBA to negotiate a better deal, they should consider not attending Spring Training this year. Edited January 16, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 A tweeter's recap of Passan on Waddle & Silvy: RT @kenkiebles13: @barstoolWSD @owemyself14 @MrDelicious13 @Soxsupporter1 @JeffPassan @soxmachine_josh @KenWo4LiFe He pretty much just said that arguing over 7/8 years is pointless right now because it is going to end up between 8 and 10 at a minimum of 30 AAV. All that matters right now is that the Sox definitely have a seat at the table and that can't be debated. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Soxbadger said: Why would it piss off the Sox? Lets say in a hypothetical world the White Sox are really close to getting this done. Lozano/Machado arent happy they arent getting $300mil, but the market has shown $250mil is as good as it gets. In order to save some face, Lozano asks the Sox if he can leak their initial offer. Why would the Sox say no? Sox fans arent going to be upset that they got Machado for $250. They are going to be over the moon happy. Other teams arent going to be upset, because the leak was factual. The $175mil leak helps no one. It hurts the Sox because its so low that it theoretically it makes another team jump in. And there is no way Lozano would want anyone to know this. So these theoretical teams then have specific guidelines for jumping in but also specifics guidelines for not participating and those numbers are between $175 M and $250 M ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said: MLB channel is saying that the Phillies are looking to get Machado, Harper and Keuchel. Scary thing is, the Phillies very well could pull that off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Which will arrive first, the final GoT season or a Machado deal? Or Machado vs. another book from George R.R. Martin? “Spring is coming” doesn’t quite work as a tagline in mid-January. And SoxFest might be about as well attended as The Flock Of Seagulls reunion tour at this rate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Bucket (macsandz), rabbit, etc are legit and bucket only comes in from time to time on major topics (big trades in 2017 and Manny mania) but I have a hard time trusting a poster that swoops in 18 hours ago and starts posting like an insider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaPG Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil? I dont know that for fact. Id be putting my foot in my mouth if i said that. I just know as of right now, there is not another team willing to offer an AAV near his 32.5m expectations. The pujols comp is a sticking point to the frustration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, soxfan49 said: A tweeter's recap of Passan on Waddle & Silvy: RT @kenkiebles13: @barstoolWSD @owemyself14 @MrDelicious13 @Soxsupporter1 @JeffPassan @soxmachine_josh @KenWo4LiFe He pretty much just said that arguing over 7/8 years is pointless right now because it is going to end up between 8 and 10 at a minimum of 30 AAV. All that matters right now is that the Sox definitely have a seat at the table and that can't be debated. Good to know were definitely months away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) My sources have told me the latest offer to Manny is a non-roster invite to spring training and $100 Portillo's gift card. Edited January 16, 2019 by jenksycat 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil? And this was there plan going into this off season? The Sox FO can't even agree on Manny's value? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: Scary thing is, the Phillies very well could pull that off. No chance unless they want to sit in the luxury tax forever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, heirdog said: Bucket (macsandz), rabbit, etc are legit and bucket only comes in from time to time on major topics (big trades in 2017 and Manny mania) but I have a hard time trusting a poster that swoops in 18 hours ago and starts posting like an insider. THIS. plus gomez (who has a solid track record) and passan aren't coming off of 8yrs and gomez specifically 250mm. we need to chill out lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, jenksycat said: My sources have told me the latest offer to Manny is a non-roster invite to spring training and $100 Portillo's gift card. Why offer him the $100 gift card if no one else is offering above $25??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaPG Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, heirdog said: Bucket (macsandz), rabbit, etc are legit and bucket only comes in from time to time on major topics (big trades in 2017 and Manny mania) but I have a hard time trusting a poster that swoops in 18 hours ago and starts posting like an insider. I get it. take me with a grain of salt. Im not saying who will/will not sign manny, just giving you guys some insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, jenksycat said: My sources have told me the latest offer to Manny is a non-roster invite to spring training and $100 Portillo's gift card. Portillos gift card? Where do I sign?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, IowaPG said: I dont know that for fact. Id be putting my foot in my mouth if i said that. I just know as of right now, there is not another team willing to offer an AAV near his 32.5m expectations. The pujols comp is a sticking point to the frustration This is probably why the White Sox as the favorite team of Iowans is down to about 5% of those surveyed...or maybe it’s the crappy radio signal now. Edited January 16, 2019 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, IowaPG said: I get it. take me with a grain of salt. Im not saying who will/will not sign manny, just giving you guys some insight insight from where though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I have a hard time buying that the Sox view Pujols and Machado similarly. Machado is way younger reaching free agency and has much more defensive value. The comp makes no sense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, smellysox said: And this was there plan going into this off season? The Sox FO can't even agree on Manny's value? after trying to get him last offseason and then spending 13 million on non-factors to help recruit him as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: Why offer him the $100 gift card if no one else is offering above $25??? The real debate is whether the gift card expires in 7 years or 8.....#dealbreaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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