The Sir Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, SoxAce said: Bonds is still absolutely a hall of famer. 0 debate about it. And Shoeless Joe should be on that list too. Until 1999, absolutely. His numbers were insane. Even before 'roids, he was frightening to watch come to the plate. I loved watching him growing up. But he blew it, irrevocably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: If this isn't wrapped up by SoxFest, I wonder how annoyed Hahn is going to be by all the Machado questions. If SoxFest comes around and these whales are either still unsigned or one has signed elsewhere, I would be surprised if Hahn even honored the commitment to show up. And I wouldn't blame him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: If SoxFest comes around and these whales are either still unsigned or one has signed elsewhere, I would be surprised if Hahn even honored the commitment to show up. And I wouldn't blame him I legit feel bad for Yonder if this is still up in the air. And yes, soxfest will be a total mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, The Sir said: Until 1999, absolutely. His numbers were insane. Even before 'roids, he was frightening to watch come to the plate. I loved watching him growing up. But he blew it, irrevocably. That still shouldn't matter, but I digress. There's alot of Bonds supporters here in regards to his H.O.F. credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Guys that cheated shouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame. It’s really that simple. So then everyone who did amphetamines before the steroid era should be out as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticky Stuff Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Has anyone been to the fan questions to management part of Soxfest? I was wondering how that goes about? Do you have to be selected to participate? Is it free with admission? How many people are allowed to participate? Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DH in the NL said: Has anyone been to the fan questions to management part of Soxfest? I was wondering how that goes about? Do you have to be selected to participate? Is it free with admission? How many people are allowed to participate? Etc. Starts with about 15 minutes of them talking and addressing things with the crowd. Then the last 30 min or so is all questions. You just line up behind a mic and ask. There’s no vetting. Yes it’s free with admission. Edited January 17, 2019 by Sockin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I'd almost be willing to put Bonds, Sosa, ARod, Clemens, etc. in the Hall if baseball acknowledged the Steroid Era for what it was. If they dedicated a wing or whatever and stuck all these guys in there I think that would be acceptable. One giant asterisk. One way to look at it is - yes, they cheated - but they were the best in an era of baseball were a vast majority of the league was also cheating. I don't think they have any business being next to guys like Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, etc., but maybe acknowledge that that was one hell of an entertaining era (as much as I dislike those guys for cheating). Frank wasn't cheating (I know you said "vast majority"). This is personal to me because Frank made me a White Sox fan when I was a little kid. For years, anytime I talk to anyone about what a great hitter he was, they all point to his imaginary "drop off". Sure, he dropped off from 1994, but 2003 Frank was still an AMAZING hitter. Sure, he could have hit .370 with 94 homeruns and 312 RBIs. But he didn't. He played naturally and went and hit .267 with 42 homeruns and 105 RBIs. And people treated it like he sucked then, because all the other declining superstars were shooting up and playing like deities. No. Hard PASS. Forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, DH in the NL said: Has anyone been to the fan questions to management part of Soxfest? I was wondering how that goes about? Do you have to be selected to participate? Is it free with admission? How many people are allowed to participate? Etc. They have a mic set up and depending on how busy it is usually they invite whoever to get in line. I've only attended the 'smaller' seminars. The main one with KW & Hahn is usually pretty crowded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Sockin said: Starts with about 15 minutes of them talking and addressing things with the crowd. Then the last 30 min or so is all questions. You just like up behind a mic and ask. There’s no vetting. Yeah this won’t go well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, bschmaranz said: Are you saying Paulie isn't!? ? I think he is. But then again he is my all-time favorite player so I'm probably a bit biased. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 u guys need 2 talk mochado not fame of halls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 It’s about time for a late night tweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Heads22 said: It’s about time for a late night tweet Here's one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, The Sir said: Frank wasn't cheating (I know you said "vast majority"). This is personal to me because Frank made me a White Sox fan when I was a little kid. For years, anytime I talk to anyone about what a great hitter he was, they all point to his imaginary "drop off". Sure, he dropped off from 1994, but 2003 Frank was still an AMAZING hitter. Sure, he could have hit .370 with 94 homeruns and 312 RBIs. But he didn't. He played naturally and went and hit .267 with 42 homeruns and 105 RBIs. And people treated it like he sucked then, because all the other declining superstars were shooting up and playing like deities. No. Hard PASS. Forever. That in no way was directed at the Big Hurt. I have no clue why you would single him out of that statement. Frank's the whole reason I am a Sox fan as well, and I fully believe his stance that he was clean. But it is extremely naive to think that players of Bonds caliber were the only ones taking enhancements. Just because the stats were not as good, doesn't mean it happened. Look at some of the shitty players that get busted for them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I'd almost be willing to put Bonds, Sosa, ARod, Clemens, etc. in the Hall if baseball acknowledged the Steroid Era for what it was. If they dedicated a wing or whatever and stuck all these guys in there I think that would be acceptable. One giant asterisk. One way to look at it is - yes, they cheated - but they were the best in an era of baseball were a vast majority of the league was also cheating. I don't think they have any business being next to guys like Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, etc., but maybe acknowledge that that was one hell of an entertaining era (as much as I dislike those guys for cheating). If you aint cheating, you aint trying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: If this isn't wrapped up by SoxFest, I wonder how annoyed Hahn is going to be by all the Machado questions. I hope he gets a ton of them too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said: So then everyone who did amphetamines before the steroid era should be out as well? Based on His stance, anyone who stole signs should be banned too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: That in no way was directed at the Big Hurt. I have no clue why you would single him out of that statement. Frank's the whole reason I am a Sox fan as well, and I fully believe his stance that he was clean. But it is extremely naive to think that players of Bonds caliber were the only ones taking enhancements. Just because the stats were not as good, doesn't mean it happened. Look at some of the shitty players that get busted for them now. Eh, I don't think I phrased it well. I wasn't trying to doubt your stance on the Hurt. My main point is that he went through a decline at the end of his career, which other players avoided by taking 'roids. Frank should be in the Hall, they shouldn't. That's pretty much my view on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, The Sir said: Disagree. The Hall should be about great baseball. Not sure who the explicit Klansmen were, but while guys like Anson, Cobb and others had terrible beliefs and, in many cases, were terrible citizens in myriad ways, they were great baseball players. The group I want to exclude from the Hall is the one who injected themselves with all sorts of junk to produce the ridiculously fraudulent stat lines of the late 90s, early 00s. Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, ARod, Ortiz, the earlier Manny, Sheffield, so on. It might be again unpopular, but so far I've gotten my way on this one. There’s always been cheating. It’s only been dictated by the technology available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, hi8is said: Just pretend Manny Machado doesn’t exist and listen to this... Can't say I expected to find a For King & Country music video up in here, but I'll take it! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said: So then everyone who did amphetamines before the steroid era should be out as well? I personally don’t think that’s quite the same as the steroids & HGH that created super humans that broke all records. And did any of those guys get caught for cheating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Here's a question since we're all bored...who is more deserving of being in the HOF: Buehrle or Konerko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: Here's a question since we're all bored...who is more deserving of being in the HOF: Buehrle or Konerko? Buehrle. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Has anyone said the obligatory "I feel like this is going to end tomorrow" yet tonight? Because if not, I'll say it. I feel like this is going to end tomorrow. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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