Sleepy Harold Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I'm all for the Padres keeping the Royals connection alive & well in the NL West. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:04 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Harpers best was legendarily good. Despite his inconsistencies, teams are infatuated with that level of production. Expand I can certainly bet that at least 1/3 of the binder put together by Boras is focusing on that season and why it will happen again. If you ever get the time to read a leaked binder they are insane. He projects good players to replicate HOF numbers based on crazy deep dives of stats and somehow convinces owners that it is legit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ron883 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:07 PM, whitesoxwinner said: "Let's not attack anyone!" (Everyone proceeds to attack @GREEDY) Expand Let's be real, dude has been a grade A douche and has been attacking people with sources left and right. That's detrimental to the forum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:10 PM, Sockin said: Expand Shocked /s Padres weren't really interested in spending 250 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:13 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Shocked /s Padres weren't really interested in spending 250 million. Expand Best thing that could happen is Moustakas wants to sign this week and takes a reasonable offer from the Pads and Harper signs with Phillies for something not outrageous. Lozano would have ZERO leverage outside of trying to incite that Yankees are still lurking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:09 PM, EloyJenkins said: I can certainly bet that at least 1/3 of the binder put together by Boras is focusing on that season and why it will happen again. If you ever get the time to read a leaked binder they are insane. He projects good players to replicate HOF numbers based on crazy deep dives of stats and somehow convinces owners that it is legit. Expand If you have any links to any of those, I would love to check them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 3:56 PM, Jake said: I don't think it is at all obvious which of Machado or Harper is the better player going forward. Expand Ehh. Manny provides two-way value. Bryce has a little more offensive upside and more marketability, but he's a bad OF at 26. He's a DH or 1B within a few years. Manny is definitely going to be the more valuable player over the course of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:15 PM, EloyJenkins said: Best thing that could happen is Moustakas wants to sign this week and takes a reasonable offer from the Pads and Harper signs with Phillies for something not outrageous. Lozano would have ZERO leverage outside of trying to incite that Yankees are still lurking. Expand Mous's agent is Boras. Hell likely wait for Machado to set the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:04 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Harpers ceiling was top 5 offensive season ever. That means a lot to teams - it's not the marketability, it's the ceiling of Harper. Harpers best was legendarily good. Despite his inconsistencies, teams are infatuated with that level of production. Expand Yeah, I get that. But that doesn't make him the better player. It just means he has more potential (which I agree with). Whether he EVER hits that is unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:17 PM, ChiSox59 said: Ehh. Manny provides two-way value. Bryce has a little more offensive upside and more marketability, but he's a bad OF at 26. He's a DH or 1B within a few years. Manny is definitely going to be the more valuable player over the course of the contract. Expand Ehh...Manny provides 2 way value but we've also seen guys fall off defensively more rapidly also. If you got Bryce into a hitting groove again even resembling what he did in 2017 (without even mentioning his ridiculous pre-shift MVP season) he could certainly be more valuable over his contract since his bat has been better. Take a look at Manny's 2017 if you want to scare yourself. I'd wager you're right, but it's not open and shut. Manny is definitely more valuable specifically to the Chicago White Sox due to our abundance of OFs thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:10 PM, Sockin said: Expand Lozano? What’s your play now? Spot getting tight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:10 PM, ron883 said: Let's be real, dude has been a grade A douche and has been attacking people with sources left and right. That's detrimental to the forum. Expand I dont agree with everything he's saying. However, I don't like hypocrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:15 PM, South Sider said: If you have any links to any of those, I would love to check them out. Expand Here's an older Grantland article on the Zito one to tide you over in case there's no other responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:25 PM, shipps said: Lozano? What’s your play now? Spot getting tight... Expand Super tight. If he keeps waiting, our offer is only going to go down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:26 PM, whitesoxwinner said: Super tight. If he keeps waiting, our offer is only going to go down Expand Why? Because the White Sox have several other options for 26 year olds who fill a position of need for them and could make a run at a HOF career? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 So now the Pads are trying to downplay their interest. Everyone wants Manny 4 cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:23 PM, Balta1701 said: Ehh...Manny provides 2 way value but we've also seen guys fall off defensively more rapidly also. If you got Bryce into a hitting groove again even resembling what he did in 2017 (without even mentioning his ridiculous pre-shift MVP season) he could certainly be more valuable over his contract since his bat has been better. Take a look at Manny's 2017 if you want to scare yourself. I'd wager you're right, but it's not open and shut. Manny is definitely more valuable specifically to the Chicago White Sox due to our abundance of OFs thought. Expand Machado's 2017 was such an anomaly it should be completely thrown out. He had by far his worst BABIP of .265 despite having his best Hard contact percentage and no significant change is his GB/FB ratio compared to 16 and 18. That's historically bad luck for a player of his caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Yeah, the Sox offer won’t go down but it certainly won’t have to go up much more if Pads drop out and Harper signs a record breaking contract. Lozano will have very little leverage if any at all at that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:26 PM, whitesoxwinner said: Super tight. If he keeps waiting, our offer is only going to go down Expand I would be shocked if the White Sox ever lowered their "formal" offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:29 PM, mqr said: Machado's 2017 was such an anomaly it should be completely thrown out. He had by far his worst BABIP of .265 despite having his best Hard contact percentage and no significant change is his GB/FB ratio compared to 16 and 18. That's historically bad luck for a player of his caliber. Expand You can say the same thing about Harper's 2016 season. He had the lowest ground ball rate of his career but also the lowest HR rate of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:27 PM, Balta1701 said: Why? Because the White Sox have several other options for 26 year olds who fill a position of need for them and could make a run at a HOF career? Expand Why would we keep our offer the same if we're the only bidders? That doesn't make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:23 PM, Balta1701 said: Ehh...Manny provides 2 way value but we've also seen guys fall off defensively more rapidly also. If you got Bryce into a hitting groove again even resembling what he did in 2017 (without even mentioning his ridiculous pre-shift MVP season) he could certainly be more valuable over his contract since his bat has been better. Take a look at Manny's 2017 if you want to scare yourself. I'd wager you're right, but it's not open and shut. Manny is definitely more valuable specifically to the Chicago White Sox due to our abundance of OFs thought. Expand Most super elite defensive infielders don't fall off rapidly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:17 PM, ChiSox59 said: Ehh. Manny provides two-way value. Bryce has a little more offensive upside and more marketability, but he's a bad OF at 26. He's a DH or 1B within a few years. Manny is definitely going to be the more valuable player over the course of the contract. Expand I am 100% in this camp. Not only is Manny the best fit for the Sox, I would bet on him being the better player over the term of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:32 PM, Balta1701 said: You can say the same thing about Harper's 2016 season. He had the lowest ground ball rate of his career but also the lowest HR rate of his career. Expand https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11579&position=OF#battedball He had a lower ground ball rate in 2018 and 2015 and the exact same rate in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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