Kiebs13 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I was afraid of by that stupid 7/175 report floating around. It got someone's interest. I think you're missing the biggest point of the screenshot. Manny wont even meet with SD without an offer on the table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, raBBit said: They're involved but quiet. In a word, provisional. Not much the teams can do. They're waiting the agents out. They agents are running out of time. But still more involved with manny? Or is that just what the media is pushing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Kiebs13 said: I think you're missing the biggest point of the screenshot. Manny wont even meet with SD without an offer on the table. The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. I’m not at all scared by San Diego. If they were a true threat, they would have been it in from the beginning. They might drive the price up, but I’m not worried about them outbidding the Sox. And I also believe Manny wants to play with the Sox more than he wants to play with the Padres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 46 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, gusguyman said: SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer. But seeing as we haven't signed him, I don't think you can say we know what the teams pain point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 48 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. But if another team is only involved at a lower price than the player wants to accept, nothing has really changed. If the White Sox were TRULY never gonna go higher than 7/175, they were never gonna win in the first place. I remain convinced they’re just waiting for someone to force them to bid higher, which was always gonna happen. You don’t win the free agent unless you bid higher than every other team. We’re just waiting to see what that number looks like. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, gusguyman said: SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer. Couldn’t agree more. Sitting back and waiting is our best move right now, but that’s what makes it so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: But if another team is only involved at a lower price than the player wants to accept, nothing has really changed. If the White Sox were TRULY never gonna go higher than 7/175, they were never gonna win in the first place. I remain convinced they’re just waiting for someone to force them to bid higher, which was always gonna happen. You don’t win the free agent unless you bid higher than every other team. We’re just waiting to see what that number looks like. And I completely agree with this, as well. Sox are in great shape right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, gusguyman said: SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer. But we still don't know what the number will be. If the Padres thought he would be a $350 million contract at the beginning of the off season, but could have only gone to $300 internally, so they didn't bother early on, they could still offer that $300 million and hit the Sox pain threshold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: But we still don't know what the number will be. If the Padres thought he would be a $350 million contract at the beginning of the off season, but could have only gone to $300 internally, so they didn't bother early on, they could still offer that $300 million and hit the Sox pain threshold. This is possible, but pretty unlikely. It would mean the Sox had a cap of $300 and thought that was good enough to be in it from the beginning, while the Padres also had a cap of $300 and they decided to sit out until late January. The much more likely scenario is that Manny wants to play for the Sox and his agent is doing everything in his power to increase the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Guys, let’s close this thread now. This Padres fan responded to my tweet. He actually dm me and told me he has a real source ?. Machado has been in SD since Tuesday trying to squeeze 15 million out of the Padres lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Orlando said: ?? It must be he whom shall not be named!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Orlando said: Guys, let’s close this thread now. This Padres fan responded to my tweet. He actually dm me and told me he has a real source ?. Machado has been in SD since Tuesday trying to squeeze 15 million out of the Padres lol Unless he means $15 million per year, he is full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I have never been more annoyed with people stating they have a source in my entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I was afraid of by that stupid 7/175 report floating around. It got someone's interest. 22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: But we still don't know what the number will be. If the Padres thought he would be a $350 million contract at the beginning of the off season, but could have only gone to $300 internally, so they didn't bother early on, they could still offer that $300 million and hit the Sox pain threshold. These are two different points. If the Sox cap was 250, and the Padres was 300, then we were always screwed. Even if we bid 250 to start, the Padres would have come in. If the Padres cap is 225, yes they might come in above 175... but then we move to 250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Orlando said: ?? His source told him something everybody assumes. Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, gusguyman said: These are two different points. If the Sox cap was 250, and the Padres was 300, then we were always screwed. Even if we bid 250 to start, the Padres would have come in. If the Padres cap is 225, yes they might come in above 175... but then we move to 250. The Padres came in because the public reporting on offers was low. If those offers don't get leaked and fought about, there is s decent chance they wouldn't have known enough to even call about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. Because then it becomes a game of musical chairs. When the music stops.....someone's left without a whale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Wasn’t Manny in Florida for his IG Live chat yesterday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 48 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: And I completely agree with this, as well. Sox are in great shape right now. They are in great shape. We're 2 weeks out from spring training and heavily involved in conversations with both superstars and their agents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, Orlando said: ?? Well that's partially true: if we don't outbid the Padres we won't get him. On the other hand, I doubt that outbidding the Padres assures that he signs with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I really dont think we need to even discuss Hektors message and tweet. The dude is a nobody disputing the Athletic's report. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I was afraid of by that stupid 7/175 report floating around. It got someone's interest. 38 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The Padres came in because the public reporting on offers was low. If those offers don't get leaked and fought about, there is s decent chance they wouldn't have known enough to even call about them. My bad, I misinterpreted the first quote as you being mad about the offer itself, not the potentially false reports about it. I see your point now. The reports certainly make it less likely that we steal Machado for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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