Dlsoxfan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I personally hope we dont have another month of speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 50 minutes ago, bmags said: I think some version of the contract has a level that is 7 for 175 at one point, but I think olney/nightengale were way too definitive on the contract and that it was in stasis. Or not, but I don't trust lozano as far as I can throw him. Sox have played this well. I really have my doubts about late suitors coming in and being willing to hand out a +$200 million contract this late in the offseason if they were not heavily planning on adding Machado/Harper at the start of free agency. Contracts like that need to be planned for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Sox have played this well. I really have my doubts about late suitors coming in and being willing to hand out a +$200 million contract this late in the offseason if they were not heavily planning on adding Machado/Harper at the start of free agency. Contracts like that need to be planned for. I agree. The problem is either the White Sox are offering what Olney is saying, or even with all his friends, Manny really would rather play somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughneck Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I agree. The problem is either the White Sox are offering what Olney is saying, or even with all his friends, Manny really would rather play somewhere else. I'm telling you, if Manny had in his head the last several years that he's going to get a $300 mil contract, that could be the holdup here. I don't think the Sox are at $175m, as WSD and our people with connections laughed at that report. But even a deal at $225 or $250 mil is not enough if Manny has a $300 million number in his head. He'll eventually have to take less, but he's not eager to do so. We had several reports of Manny wanting $300 million, the first team to get to $300 mil gets him, etc. I think at this point that's his "buy it now" price and it's an important number for him, even if it looks apparent that he's not going to reach it. Edited February 6, 2019 by Roughneck 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, Roughneck said: I'm telling you, if Manny had in his head the last several years that he's going to get a $300 mil contract, that could be the holdup here. I don't think the Sox are at $175m, as WSD and our people with connections laughed at that report. But even a deal at $225 or $250 mil is not enough if Manny has a $300 million number in his head. He'll eventually have to take less, but he's not eager to do so. We had several reports of Manny wanting $300 million, the first team to get to $300 mil gets him, etc. I think at this point that's his "buy it now" price and it's an important number for him, even if it looks apparent that he's not going to reach it. 7/210 w mutual option for 8th year and $35 mill. So 8/245 and the team options only for 9th and 10th years at $35 million or $5 million buy out. Boom, 8/250 or 10/315 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, bmags said: sorry for the title i'm going back to a hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: I agree. The problem is either the White Sox are offering what Olney is saying, or even with all his friends, Manny really would rather play somewhere else. We know he would rather play somewhere else, New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughneck Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 57 minutes ago, heirdog said: 7/210 w mutual option for 8th year and $35 mill. So 8/245 and the team options only for 9th and 10th years at $35 million or $5 million buy out. Boom, 8/250 or 10/315 But the mutual option part is always tricky. If he's still good enough where the Sox still want him at $35 mil a year, he's going to be good enough to opt-out so he can get a contract with the next 2 years guaranteed, rather than the possibility of the Sox dumping him after year 8 for $5 mil. I don't know Machado's line of thinking, but I don't know that the mutual option would have any impact there. Still, I think you're on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Roughneck said: But the mutual option part is always tricky. If he's still good enough where the Sox still want him at $35 mil a year, he's going to be good enough to opt-out so he can get a contract with the next 2 years guaranteed, rather than the possibility of the Sox dumping him after year 8 for $5 mil. I don't know Machado's line of thinking, but I don't know that the mutual option would have any impact there. Still, I think you're on the right track. Agree. No-brainer for white Sox as it gives them essentially 7 year contract that they prefer with shared / less risk in the out years. If I’m the Sox, I don’t mind renegotiating at year 8 as it will be a new or established core and see what we have in younger players...a lot might have changed. Gives Manny pause as he prob wants 10 years / $300 mill+ guaranteed...it’s just not there. So this gives him 7-8 years with potential to earn more with performance (either w Sox or as a FA if he is still a stud at 34) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Thanks. This may sound dumb, but I’d rather give Manny 8/$280M w/ an opt-out after four year and a swell-opt that can push it to five years by exercising an option than go 7/$210M but give him a straight opt-out after two. Given where we are in our rebuild, pay the fucking premium and buy an extra year or two of guaranteed control. That doesn't sound "dumb" at all, to me. I agree with you that the contract should ideally be structured in such a way that we retain him for at least 4 and preferably 5 years. After that, I might actually prefer that he opted out, which would ultimately reduce the total effective cost of the contract. How about something like this?: The first 5 years at $40 Million, per year and the last 3 at $25 Million, per year, for a total of $275 million. That should be enough for him to sign, in a heart beat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, bmags said: sorry for the title i'm going back to a hole I'm still hoping for a sweetheart of a deal for Valentine's Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, Lillian said: That doesn't sound "dumb" at all, to me. I agree with you that the contract should ideally be structured in such a way that we retain him for at least 4 and preferably 5 years. After that, I might actually prefer that he opted out, which would ultimately reduce the total effective cost of the contract. How about something like this?: The first 5 years at $40 Million, per year and the last 3 at $25 Million, per year, for a total of $275 million. That should be enough for him to sign, in a heart beat. This is nice because it allows a softening of the total payroll to pay Eloy, Kopech and Moncada if they all hit on being great players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusguyman Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Good news ya'll. I just bought Manny Machado for my OOTP Perfect team. This means we get him today right? #WhiteSoxWednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, Lillian said: That doesn't sound "dumb" at all, to me. I agree with you that the contract should ideally be structured in such a way that we retain him for at least 4 and preferably 5 years. After that, I might actually prefer that he opted out, which would ultimately reduce the total effective cost of the contract. How about something like this?: The first 5 years at $40 Million, per year and the last 3 at $25 Million, per year, for a total of $275 million. That should be enough for him to sign, in a heart beat. I don't think Machado ends up getting more than $250 million at the end of the day. Max offers will be 7-8 years, topping out around 240 - 250 if I had to guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) I think it will end up as a 7/220 with a swellopt that makes it 8/260 or 9/280. Edited February 6, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I'm in rumor withdrawls. I need something. Anything. Somebody... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I think it will end up as a 7/220 with a swellopt that makes it 8/260 or 9/280. The idea makes sense, but the numbers don't. Why would one year add $40 million, but two years $60 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said: I'm in rumor withdrawls. I need something. Anything. Somebody... Rumor is Kate Upton broke up with Verlander for peavy44. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The idea makes sense, but the numbers don't. Why would one year add $40 million, but two years $60 million? It would add it over the remaining 6-7 years of the deal. I guess it would depend on which one Machado agrees to? Also, the 40M is to keep the term down. Edited February 6, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiebs13 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Rumor is Kate Upton broke up with Verlander for peavy44. This is exactly what I needed to get through the end of the work day. tysm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Rumor is Kate Upton broke up with Verlander for peavy44. Rumor has it peavy44 offered a SWELL-opt while Verlander could only offer a short... ahhh, nevermind 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 This whole Manny watch was kinda fun about 40 days ago... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, shipps said: This whole Manny watch was kinda fun about 40 days ago... Remember early in the offseason how all of the mania was about Harper? Technically we are still in on Harper, but everything shifted to Machado mid December or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 18 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Guys something is going to happen tomorrow Tomorrow is almost over......what time is something going to happen? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, sin city sox fan said: Tomorrow is almost over......what time is something going to happen? Soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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