Roughneck Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: And $15M is not going to be the difference maker. Over the length of the contract, we're talking about tens of millions of dollars in difference. That is going to have some influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said: Yep your taxed on where the games are played. So games in NY, NY tax etc. Its still higher in CA, and the easier baseline is 50% of salary would be paid at a higher rate. So on $30mil, $15mil is at the higher rate. You also need to factor in that some cities have an extra tax on people who work in the city for less than 4 days at a time. This is a tax to specifically target athletes as for some reason it doesn't apply to business travelers who attend meetings in said city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, bmags said: yesterday my wife asked what i was doing after staring noticeably for at least 5 minutes the manny machado instagram post with him and his wife because i was trying to figure out what the black and white logo was on his shirt. No good recoveries there. Yesterday my girlfriend took a photo of the two of us, and in the reflection of my glasses you can clearly see I'm holding my phone with Soxtalk's page open. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 This is the only reason I'm single guys, cause I don't want the girl to think I'm weird for staring at Machado IG posts and rumors all day. Yup, that's it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlsoxfan Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 700 pages it's like listening to a broken record A broken record A broken record A broken record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaPG Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said: Yesterday my girlfriend took a photo of the two of us, and in the reflection of my glasses you can clearly see I'm holding my phone with Soxtalk's page open. Same problem, she got super mad last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I would love to know how Bryce signing first would help Manny. Heyman is the biggest agent pole smoker in the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 29 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: If nothing else, we now know that J Michael Robertson is full of it. He said this would be done yesterday. Yesterday he said that the announcement is on hold because we're trying to sign Harper too. Which is part of why all the #both chatter occurred here yesterday afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Passan is good: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26002896/the-bryce-manny-stalemate-latest-mlb-free-agency This is fantastic and does not roll out numbers but it does suggest what we've all kind of been suggesting, that 250M is too low and 300M is too high. Maybe 280M is our end point? For Manny at least. Edited February 15, 2019 by Princess Dye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Will this get us to 700 pages? Let's find out. Makeitstop IJust Want It To Stop GIF from Makeitstop GIFs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I would love to know how Bryce signing first would help Manny. Heyman is the biggest agent pole smoker in the industry. If Bryce signs with any team that's not the Sox or Phillies, then it's possible the Phillies (especially) get desperate and raise their offer to Manny in order to not strike out on both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Yes, but what if Manny sets up shop in Gary, IN? How much money would that save him versus living in Lincoln Park? Have we thought about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Princess Dye said: Passan is good: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26002896/the-bryce-manny-stalemate-latest-mlb-free-agency This is fantastic and does not roll out numbers but it does suggest what we've all kind of been suggesting, that 250M is too low and 300M is too high. Maybe 280M is our end point? For Manny at least. TL:DR strap in boys and girls, this shitshow has no end in sight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Just now, fathom said: If Bryce signs with any team that's not the Sox or Phillies, then it's possible the Phillies (especially) get desperate and raise their offer to Manny in order to not strike out on both. Yes, so if Bryce signs with a team no one thinks he'll sign with... Also, Boras isnt signing first. Baseball is allowing agents to run their game. Boras and Lozano trying to show who has bigger balls and is better at their job. It's a big waste of time. You are worth what people are willing to give you whether or not you like. That's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: If Bryce signs with any team that's not the Sox or Phillies, then it's possible the Phillies (especially) get desperate and raise their offer to Manny in order to not strike out on both. Yeah, but who else would bite on Bryce? He won't go to SD because marketing and the Yankees don't need him. Giants would be the only potential option...and I just don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GenericUserName Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Really, the biggest difference between a guy like Machado and the 98% who don't make isn't physical, it is mental. Plenty of people have physical tools, but not everyone has the mental tools and drive to be a superstar. When you combine those things, that is how you get a superstar. That just doesn't turn off when it comes to your paycheck when you have that mentality. Forget $100 million, this is the type of person that will fight you over A million dollars. Hell, we have seen players and teams go to arbitration over a few hundred thousand dollars. In some of those scenarios the cost of the lawyers is probably almost the difference in the sides. 43 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Of course it's about money. But at this point, they are hoping a team they would rather play for, not the White Sox or Phillies, somehow comes up with the cash. Wait, so what is your argument? That he doesn't want to play for the Sox or Philllies so he is waiting for a team to match our offer so he can go there instead? Because I feel like most people here (and the media reports seem to confirm this) believe that, if all else were equal, he would prefer to play for the Yankees, but they are not offering anything close to the highest offers, so now he is simply waiting for a team to reach what he thinks is an acceptable level (probably $300M) and he is willing to wait so that teams feel pressure to move closer to that amount. Basically no matter what he is going to take a huge offer because there are more big offers out there (CHW, PHI, SD) than there are big players, so by waiting he is attempting to maximize his contract while also having very little downside. If he or his agent believe he can get another $30m for waiting another month, why wouldn't he do that? That is literally getting potentially $1m per day for just waiting. And again, what is the downside? They know they have us as a fallback. We aren't going to fill his spot and we don't think we are going to compete this year so if he is still a little rusty at the beginning of the year its not that big of a deal. 24 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: The Padres play about 9 road games in each LA and SF. 100 games a year in Cali. Having said that, this tax argument just proves how ridiculous this saga has become. I realize taxes are important to income but have we really reached the point where we are arguing about taxes. I hate this. I don't think its really that ridiculous of a discussion. It plays out all the time in the NBA with the max contract and some teams playing in states with no income tax versus states with large income taxes. IIRC, another sport (can't remember which, likely either hockey or soccer) computes the cap hit as the money that goes to the player and then teams simply figure out how much the contract needs to be to get to that amount for the player. If the luxury tax really does become a hard cap this is something you might see the teams in California arguing for in the next CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bad Hombre said: TL:DR strap in boys and girls, this shitshow has no end in sight! That section is 5 paragraphs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsCalledComiskey Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Hey guys. I hear Manny deal is closer to today than it was yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 is it safe to say this has been the biggest waste of time? i am afriad its 1984 and 2007 all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Neither Harpchado will take home more than $10M/ yr if some people have their way. 70% tax if > $10M plus another 10% state tax plus real estate tax, agents, lawyers, accountants, etc. Plus 50% tax on the first $10M Lucky to bring home $5M out of $35M. Edited February 15, 2019 by Baker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 it seems like when there is momentum ( maybe on this board only ) that were getting Machado, a tweet comes out on how its not close to being done. hello Lozano we see what your doing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlsoxfan Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I wonder happens first... Harpchado signs or the NCAA tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Now that we're seeing these arbitration deals happen, it kind of marks a last landmark thing for the players union. They were fighting and fighting for players to not to have to accept these cheap security deals. Now that Nola and Severino did that, maybe there's a little more impetus for Harpchado to fall in line with their top offers. That's one read. Also if they are fighting now to preserve what they can for union-mates in later years, then we may be in for more waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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