joejoesox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Sox arent getting Harper, stop with that nonsense Machado was their "All In" and they still fucked up royally, fuck man. Wake me up when the Sox arent a failure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teorey23 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Guys, I apologize, I thought the Sox had this in the bag and stupidly had more faith in this front office and ownership to get this done. I thought they turned a corner and I was fooled. I’m sitting here just as pissed and stunned as you are. I’m not gonna delete the account because it’s a good chat to be apart of. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, ptatc said: He specifically said they weren't going to 300. This agrees with all of the reports coming out that they weren't going to guarantee that much money for the total contract. The team wanted a more friendly deal, Agent and Machado wanted the highest guaranteed deal. The Sox should have stepped up and gave him the guaranteed deal. He didn't just get a higher guarantee, he also got a more player-friendly opt out. He got a higher guarantee and a better deal structure. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: No doubt. He wanted a contract that would protect the team if Machado sucked or got lazy or injured. Padres offered guaranteed money. The agent and Machado wanted the "prestige" of having the highest guaranteed money. I don't blame them. What is an extra 5 mil over 10 years gonna do to your pocket book later down the line even if he regresses?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: If that was the plan I would be fine with it but my gut tells me they would have moved a bunch of guys in the minors to try and win now. In any case Machado is obviously talented but there will be other opportunities in the coming years to add premium talent. Our main focus should be like the Astros lets have a team first then worry about how to add to it. I don’t agree with the team first aporoach. You need to add talent where you can, when you can. We were going to sign Machado because we thought we were competing in 2019 or even 2020. It was going to be a move for the years after when this team would hopefully be competitive. Also, if we’re going to reference the Astros we need some production from the minors. Like right now. One of my biggest pet peeve’s about the White Sox fan base is everyone is just so complacent when it comes to the minor-league players. “Not everyone succeeds immediatey.” “He may need 3-4 years to contribute at the major league level.” No this is unacceptable. We can not wait 3-4 years for Moncada, Kopech, Cease, Eloy or else there’s no competitive window. Eventually it needs to come together at the SAME TIME. Someone like Eloy needs to contribute immediately. Many young players around the league do it every year, its nor unheard of. If we cannot do this, then we are fucked. How else will a championship team be assembled? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: No I don't. I don't blame Machado for taking the SD offer. But at least get that facts straight about the Sox not willing to offer 30 mil. per year. They did. Whoopty doo. I’ll repeat my previous edit... Runners up in the free agency game don’t get a consolation prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) I still think Moncada playing third yesterday doesn't have anything to do with this. Edited February 19, 2019 by mqr 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, teorey23 said: Guys, I apologize, I thought the Sox had this in the bag and stupidly had more faith in this front office and ownership to get this done. I thought they turned a corner and I was fooled. I’m sitting here just as pissed and stunned as you are. I’m not gonna delete the account because it’s a good chat to be apart of. TY for owning up to it, I believe you're the only one we've seen do that (although 1 or 2 people who offered up predictions can't do that due to suspensions). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ptatc said: He specifically said they weren't going to 300. This agrees with all of the reports coming out that they weren't going to guarantee that much money for the total contract. The team wanted a more friendly deal, Agent and Machado wanted the highest guaranteed deal. The Sox should have stepped up and gave him the guaranteed deal. But it's over 10 years. And supposedly it's evenly divided. Pretty good chance 7 years from now, KW, JR, and RH no longer have offices at Guaranteed Rate Field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 They cannot force people to sign here. You just give it your best. No point in being negative. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Waffleson Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Rowand44 said: Harper isn't going to take that. They don't want to be dicked around with incentives. The Sox tried getting cute and they fuckin lost. The end. Turn it to 330m straight 10 years give him 3 or 4 year opt out and they can fiddle with themselves in the corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: We have the facts. They failed. In spectacular fashion. Not only did they fail to land the whale they wasted time and money bringing in his buddies. WTF man. This is the worst case scenario that DA and myself and many others were worried about. Not only do they not improve their team, they look like absolute amateur clowns with the "friends and family" bs. facts are still being gathered until after Manny has his press conference. lets not jump the gun jussie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The White Sox wouldn't guarantee $300 million. You can offer Harper a contract where if he's Babe Ruth, he will get $1 Billion the next 10 years, but if they don't guarantee more than $300 million, there is no chance. No doubt. They would need to go well above that to get Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Harper is not coming here unless his name is spelled A.D.A.M. J.O.N.E.S. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, pcq said: They cannot force people to sign here. You just give it your best. No point in being negative. Nope, this is not an adequate excuse anymore. This was the best chance at a Hall of Famer when it would only cost money, and the Sox payroll is about as low as it has been in years. Unacceptable. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: He didn't just get a higher guarantee, he also got a more player-friendly opt out. He got a higher guarantee and a better deal structure. No doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, pcq said: They cannot force people to sign here. You just give it your best. No point in being negative. While that is true, it seems like they really outsmarted themselves here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, teorey23 said: Guys, I apologize, I thought the Sox had this in the bag and stupidly had more faith in this front office and ownership to get this done. I thought they turned a corner and I was fooled. I’m sitting here just as pissed and stunned as you are. I’m not gonna delete the account because it’s a good chat to be apart of. Never was buying what you were selling anyways, but it takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong (which from what I've observed here some I won't name don't do). Need more posters like you on this board. Respect my man. Edited February 19, 2019 by SoxAce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooch Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 So 350MM was possible? Is that with 8 straight batting titles, AL MVP and World Series MVP awards? This seems a pretty disingenuous way to present your case. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 All that matters is what the "incentives" were and what the guaranteed money was. If it was a 220m offer with incentives he'd never hit/take then its a fake offer. Either way, it was incredibly stupid to not just flat out guarantee 300m if thats what he wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooseman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The thing I just can't get my head around is they offered 250/8 thats what 31.25/yr? If you make such an offer with an opt out after year 5 wouldn't that say you you're ultra supreme optimistic that he is gonna be a top 5-10 in the league over the next 5 and almost assuredly opt out? So if you match SD's offer you would be saving 1.25/yr the next 5 years by adding the 2 addition years and 50 million that has maybe a 2-5% chance of actually being paid out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I missed like 30 pages and I'm not going to go back and read them, but do you guys think the Sox have any shot at Harper? Getting him is the only way I would feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, beckham15 said: What is an extra 5 mil over 10 years gonna do to your pocket book later down the line even if he regresses?? I agree. That's why I said the Sox should have stepped up and I don't blame Machado for taking the guaranteed deal. The Sox wanted a more team friendly deal, SD offered a player friendly deal. Take the guaranteed money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: No doubt. They would need to go well above that to get Harper. I put the minimum on Harper at 10/330. At the very least he has to beat Stanton. If you're management and you give even a half of a shit, let alone two, about maintaining a fanbase in Chicago, you call up Boras and offer that right now. Otherwise, just start loading the moving vans now and making preparations for a move to Charlotte or Portland in 2025. If they don't get Harper they will have completely alienated their fanbase and Jerry might as well have gone full Bill Wirtz. Believe me, you don't want to go Full Bill Wirtz, JR. Edited February 19, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Machado2Sox said: Whoopty doo. I’ll repeat my previous edit... Runners up in the free agency game don’t get a consolation prize. Prom Kings get to fuck the Prom Queen. We’re the acne covered mathlete that paid $5 to the slut cheerleader for a handjob behind the bleachers. Edited February 19, 2019 by CWSpalehoseCWS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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