caulfield12 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, SoxFanForever said: Ok Rick. It's okay, Getzie can develop 'em all. Marco Paddy also has to be about the most overrated "front office" signing in the history of the game...all we end up with are Nestor Molina's while giving away for free the Fernando Tatises of the world. The ONE Latin American free agent that we correctly identified, and even then we got out-scouted and out-worked by the Padres, because Preller knows 10X as much about Latin America as our own front office and understaffed scouts do. PATHETIC, yet ENTIRELY, PREDICTABLY PATHETIC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bigsoxhurt35 said: I was such a fool for buying into this franchise’s rebuild. They’re eternally incompetent We were all fools. What a waste of time to get excited about this possibility. We should have known this front office would blow it. Why did we give these guys the benefit of the doubt? These same guys haven't put together a playoff roster since 2008. Oh and lets not forget the horrible Robin Ventura 5 year experiment. This franchise is ran more like a country club than a sports team. JR just lets his buddies run a status quo operation. Bulls and White Sox are a lot alike. No accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Baron said: I don't know man. Hahn sounded like he was about to cry today or burst in anger. Same with Kenny. They need to reevaluate how they draft these contracts. They thought they were doing Manny a favor with that contract. I noticed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GreatScott82 said: We were all fools. What a waste of time to get excited about this possibility. We should have known this front office would blow it. Why did we give these guys the benefit of the doubt? These same guys haven't put together a playoff roster since 2008. Oh and lets not forget the horrible Robin Ventura 5 year experiment. This franchise is ran more like a country club than a sports team. JR just lets his buddies run a status quo operation. Bulls and White Sox are a lot alike. No accountability. Because Hahn kept talking about how they are now going against the grain and what used to be normal for the organization. We trusted this meant spending big money on big time talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scoots said: Not denying he would accelerate the rebuild. What i am saying is he is not worth that kind of money. How the hell do we know what kind of money they have? Yeah, the payroll is very low right now. They can definitely afford him now. Maybe they are projecting out what they should expect to spend in the future to complete this team via trades and free agency and taking on other big contracts, and commiting that much money to one guy would hinder that. Im sure that shit adds up quick. Even top money team, cough Cubs cough, are coming out and saying they cant afford these guys and they have no money left. Let's see who else the Sox sign and trade for as this rebuild continues and grows deeper. There’s been countless posts on this board of how JR benefits from the stadium sweetheart lease and their revenue share vastly,no need to rehash. They have a bottom half payroll for the foreseeable future now and we have posters like you actually worried Sox might get talent because “he gets paid too much” . Sox haven’t won since 05, I’m okay with JR actually investing money into this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Scoots said: Not denying he would accelerate the rebuild. What i am saying is he is not worth that kind of money. How the hell do we know what kind of money they have? Yeah, the payroll is very low right now. They can definitely afford him now. Maybe they are projecting out what they should expect to spend in the future to complete this team via trades and free agency and taking on other big contracts, and commiting that much money to one guy would hinder that. Im sure that shit adds up quick. Even top money team, cough Cubs cough, are coming out and saying they cant afford these guys and they have no money left. Let's see who else the Sox sign and trade for as this rebuild continues and grows deeper. Sure, but what "difference-making" position players are out there that we can realistically be in on...as it stands, Trout and Arenado look more likely than not to stay with their teams. We're really going to beat out everyone for Rendon or Bogaerts now? C'mon. The Cubs' imploding on their own petard or a series of bad "Sword of Damocles" signings doesn't have anything to do with us...that's the same exact thing that Epstein did to the Red Sox at the end of his tenure, but at least he was responsible for MULTIPLE championships, not just a shot in the dark once in a lifetime thing like 2005 with the White Sox where every planet was aligned and then it was (of course, because it's the fate of the White Sox) impossible to repeat or even put together TWO consecutive playoff seasons. Edited February 20, 2019 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 39 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: What would you like him to say? I resign effective immediately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Because Hahn kept talking about how they are now going against the grain and what used to be normal for the organization. We trusted this meant spending big money on big time talent. Until they actually convert, I am not buying the whole "going against the grain of salt" narrative. It's not cheapness, it's incompetence. Unless they land Harper (which they wont) we should not give this front office our support. At this point, they do not deserve it. Edited February 20, 2019 by GreatScott82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said: We were all fools. What a waste of time to get excited about this possibility. We should have known this front office would blow it. Why did we give these guys the benefit of the doubt? These same guys haven't put together a playoff roster since 2008. Oh and lets not forget the horrible Robin Ventura 5 year experiment. This franchise is ran more like a country club than a sports team. JR just lets his buddies run a status quo operation. Bulls and White Sox are a lot alike. No accountability. Welcome back! (Wish it was under better circumstances, though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, StrangeSox said: I resign effective immediately And tears off his jacket to reveal a Padres shirt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kpet1010 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Guys we will get Harper it's okay. *Rocks back and forth in a fetal position* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: And tears off his jacket to reveal a Padres shirt That’s Cub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: I resign effective immediately Signed, Brooks Boyer (he would be better off getting a fresh start somewhere else, it's not really his fault, just the victim of circumstances more than anything) Marco Paddy Buddy Bell (ooops, already gone...) Rick Hahn Kenny Williams Jerry Reinsdorf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said: There’s been countless posts on this board of how JR benefits from the stadium sweetheart lease and their revenue share vastly,no need to rehash. They have a bottom half payroll for the foreseeable future now and we have posters like you actually worried Sox might get talent because “he gets paid too much” . Sox haven’t won since 05, I’m okay with JR actually investing money into this team Not really worried about it...but i am coonscientious of there is actually a limited amount of money and i am of the mind that Jerry is not just stuffing it in his pockets, but is really trying in his mind to do what is best for the team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 In all fairness to RH.....he deserves some of this blame but wasn’t the Great negotiator Jerry Reinsdorf the one in complete control of negotiations, they needed the experienced negotiator that is Jerry to run the show.....someone with much higher experience.....this is where it doesn’t matter what GM you prop up there as a puppet, if JR is as stubborn as he has been it will continue to get you absolutely nowhere and this organization will continue down the path of failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 The Reinsdorfs don’t fire people very often in the front office in their franchises. KW is a lifer like Paxson. GarPax = KennyHahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Welcome back! (Wish it was under better circumstances, though.) It's good to be back. Just wish our team became relevant again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, beckham15 said: In all fairness to RH.....he deserves some of this blame but wasn’t the Great negotiator Jerry Reinsdorf the one in complete control of negotiations, they needed the experienced negotiator that is Jerry to run the show.....someone with much higher experience.....this is where it doesn’t matter what GM you prop up there as a puppet, if JR is as stubborn as he has been it will continue to get you absolutely nowhere and this organization will continue down the path of failure This is why he should’ve shied away from being so blatant about Manny. He let the fans build up their belief only for it to come crashing down like Cody Parkey’s crossbar hobbies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, fathom said: And tears off his jacket to reveal a Padres shirt It's kind of amazing when you look at how the Padres and Hoyer set up the Cubs' current run, beginning with Rizzo. Now we're essentially doing the opposite, gifting them Tatis, Jr., losing Machado out of sheer stubbornness, someone was writing about (barely) missing out on Urias as well. It's crazy to imagine with a couple of breaks going the other direction, we'd now be set up like the Padres (certainly, if we hadn't gifted them Tatis for Shields in the first place) and the Cubs WOULDN'T have won the World Series in 2016 and would be in danger of being overrun in the suddenly competitive NL Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Scoots said: Not really worried about it...but i am coonscientious of there is actually a limited amount of money and i am of the mind that Jerry is not just stuffing it in his pockets, but is really trying in his mind to do what is best for the team Frankly, this offseason, they are. Their payroll is down to $90 million from a peak near $130 million, while the amount of shared revenue has grown hugely - more than enough to offset their attendance and advertising losses. Each team got a $50 million check a year ago for the rights to the MLB.com streaming system. Last year's payroll was low but at least there was a hidden $25 million going to Robert. They're going to be swimming in money from this season, aside from Harper there's no one left to spend anything on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, beckham15 said: In all fairness to RH.....he deserves some of this blame but wasn’t the Great negotiator Jerry Reinsdorf the one in complete control of negotiations, they needed the experienced negotiator that is Jerry to run the show.....someone with much higher experience.....this is where it doesn’t matter what GM you prop up there as a puppet, if JR is as stubborn as he has been it will continue to get you absolutely nowhere and this organization will continue down the path of failure That was based on a report from one particular "insider", and that person insisted up and down, over and over, again and again, that we should not panic, that the White Sox would get this done, and even that the White Sox liked signing guys on Wednesdays. Basically, every insider was hearing the message that the franchise put out, including that line, the franchise is a bunch of inept fools, and the insiders were passing along the confidence of a bunch of inept fools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Looking at the left side of the Padres infield for the next 5 years will be a great daily reminder of the massive failure of an organization we root for. Wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: It's okay, Getzie can develop 'em all. Marco Paddy also has to be about the most overrated "front office" signing in the history of the game...all we end up with are Nestor Molina's while giving away for free the Fernando Tatises of the world. The ONE Latin American free agent that we correctly identified, and even then we got out-scouted and out-worked by the Padres, because Preller knows 10X as much about Latin America as our own front office and understaffed scouts do. PATHETIC, yet ENTIRELY, PREDICTABLY PATHETIC. Lol. Preller, as well as every other team in baseball could have signed tatis - that's how little he got. He hadn't played a single pro game and the Sox traded him. Come on with the preller knew nonsense. He took a flyer and hit a grand slam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Frankly, if they weren’t 100% sure they were going to sign -Machado, I’m confused why they made any moves that would add to the payroll like they did whether it be through trades or signing FAs. It makes no sense. None of the moves they made are going to move the needle one iota and it’s a complete waste of cash. It just shows how inept this FO truly is. None of them are business savvy and none of the are baseball savvy. I’ll just assume any money spent is likely a much needed excuse for the FO as to why they won’t be able to spend in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Lol. Preller, as well as every other team in baseball could have signed tatis - that's how little he got. He hadn't played a single pro game and the Sox traded him. Come on with the preller knew nonsense. He took a flyer and hit a grand slam This is what Preller does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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