oldsox Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I wonder why his numbers were so much worse after KC traded him to Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I think my concern is they've spent roughly 35 million for next season on stop-gap measures. That's a lot of money for a team that will lose a lot of games in 2019 without some big additions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beautox Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 so our pen isn't complete dog crap nice CL - Colome SU - Herrera SU - Fry* MR - Jones MR - Bummer* LO - Frare* LR - Covey with Burr and Hamilton riding between AAA and the show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Whether we sign Machado or Harper, we're still at least 2 years from competing. Signing a legit reliever while his value is down to a 2 year deal looks like a rebound and flip deal. This is still the beginning of a major rebuild. Beginning? Nah, I would say dead in the middle, but not the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldsox said: I wonder why his numbers were so much worse after KC traded him to Washington. Injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, fathom said: I think my concern is they've spent roughly 35 million for next season on stop-gap measures. That's a lot of money for a team that will lose a lot of games in 2019 without some big additions. Here's why I don't think it's very high stakes, I don't think anyone is blocking anyone, the players with greater than 1 year of control are easily tradeable, and otherwise are one year deals. I also think part of this is to help better gauge how ricky manages, as I do think it's really hard to tell what you have in a manager when you give him bonfire bullpens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, beautox said: so our pen isn't complete dog crap nice CL - Colome SU - Herrera SU - Fry* MR - Jones MR - Bummer* LO - Frare* LR - Covey with Burr and Hamilton riding between AAA and the show Also birdi should be included at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: I think my concern is they've spent roughly 35 million for next season on stop-gap measures. That's a lot of money for a team that will lose a lot of games in 2019 without some big additions. Unless they're thinking long term and want to keep the farm stocked. This rebuild still hinges on Moncada, Robert, Eloy, Kopech, Cease, Dunning etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Scoots said: Beginning? Nah, I would say dead in the middle, but not the beginning. Same, I think they expect to compete by 2020. I think they're going for 1 of the whales and then target one of the top starters next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Scoots said: Beginning? Nah, I would say dead in the middle, but not the beginning. I won't think it's the middle until we get more farm production on the MLB field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Atta boy Joe. Now some of those other "posters" can shut up talking shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bschmaranz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, oldsox said: I wonder why his numbers were so much worse after KC traded him to Washington. lisfranc injury in his plant foot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: Herrera and Colome aren't scrubs... For Herrera, documented drop in velocity over the last few seasons, and it shows in performance. 2017 was putrid for him, and K rates have fallen with his velocity. After going to Washington last year, he gave up 24 hits in 18 IP. He's not the once dominant fireballer who helped make the Royals so great. Colome is just...unremarkable. A right handed reliever with a career WHIP of 1.21, and it's gone under 1.15 just once. Yet, thus far, he is our prize acquisition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/7/2019 at 1:19 PM, beautox said: so our pen isn't complete dog crap nice CL - Colome SU - Herrera SU - Fry* MR - Jones MR - Bummer* LO - Frare* LR - Covey with Burr and Hamilton riding between AAA and the show Three names on that list who I don't think will succeed or remain healthy. Would like to see the Sox bring in one more solid guy if they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Atta boy Joe. Now some of those other "posters" can shut up talking shit. I don't think anyone was really discrediting him. More the way he went about it. Like the whole "I know something but I gotta text someone else to make sure before I can post anything." Text the person first before jumping posting saying that you know something and you want to share it. With that said, hopefully he can share more with us this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I won't think it's the middle until we get more farm production on the MLB field. But you can't just wait around to the point. You have a good chunk up with jimenez and cease up this year. Kopech hopefully back next year and adding more this year still. Past the point of the beginning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Awesome, I wanted them to improve the bullpen going into this season. Colome and now Herrera with guys like Jones, Fry, Hamilton and Vieira, the bullpen might be the team’s biggest strength. I expect that this takes them out of the Ottavino race but I still would like for them to sign another guy with high leverage experience like Brad Boxberger. Vieria is quite a bit further down the pecking order. I like the signing. Bullpen should be a lot deeper, and we still have a ton of interesting/exciting arms in the minors. Herrera stays in KC and continues on like he always had last summer, and he's probably looking at 4-5 year deal at around $12M+ AAV. This could be a sneaky good signing if he stays healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, soxfan2014 said: I don't think anyone was really discrediting him. More the way he went about it. Like the whole "I know something but I gotta text someone else to make sure before I can post anything." Text the person first before jumping posting saying that you know something and you want to share it. Oh no doubt you are correct how he came across. But I saw Peavy for example discredit him right away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Sir said: For Herrera, documented drop in velocity over the last few seasons, and it shows in performance. 2017 was putrid for him, and K rates have fallen with his velocity. After going to Washington last year, he gave up 24 hits in 18 IP. He's not the once dominant fireballer who helped make the Royals so great. Colome is just...unremarkable. A right handed reliever with a career WHIP of 1.21, and it's gone under 1.15 just once. Yet, thus far, he is our prize acquisition. He also had injuries in Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Now sign Ottavino. If they do manage to get Machado and or Harper, they will need a strong bullpen to compete. If they strike out on the "whales" they'll have some nice flippable pieces to continue the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Bruce seems so salty towards the Sox these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Oh no doubt you are correct how he came across. But I saw Peavy for example discredit him right away. Oh yeah that's true. But that barely counts lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Bruce seems so salty towards the Sox these days The Herrera signing I do not mind because it does not tie up money long term. Depending on if the 3rd year option is a club/vesting/player, we are not committed beyond next season to him. Could be a flip candidate, but also could be a guy we hang onto if he performs well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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