TomPickle Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I hope there is at least a little bit to this rumor. Young Joc would be a huge upgrade. I don't think the rumored names going to the Dodgers make much sense, but I guess if Rich Hill is a salary dump it makes a little more sense. I wouldn't mind if Jace Fry were in this deal instead of Bummer. People getting hung up on platoon splits is a little silly right now to me. Pederson is a legit major league player and Jay/Engel/Palka/Delmonico aren't. If the Sox are actually in the race in 2020 then maybe you try to find a platoon partner for Pederson, but right now I'll just happily take the massive upgrade in CF for now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuagman Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I dno. I think we’re very high on palka because yes he has ridiculous power but .294 OBP! He’s 27, are we expecting him to get better? He’s an absolute wild card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Fuagman said: I dno. I think we’re very high on palka because yes he has ridiculous power but .294 OBP! He’s 27, are we expecting him to get better? He’s an absolute wild card Sure he’s a wild card, but if you aren’t getting Manny or Bryce, you’re still in a rebuild season where you want to see what you have in Palka instead of Yonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuagman Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 He could be back in Charlotte when Eloy is up. He may suck, who knows. Yonder has been decent consistent hitter and is a solid defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuagman Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 We’re getting manny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 If we facilitate Harper to LA, we might lose Machado to the Phillies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Something I just happen to think about.... Would be slick as fuck for them to dump any of those guys while they still have value. And only way MLB could tell them they can't trade them is if they basically know they got them pinned. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, caulfield12 said: If we facilitate Harper to LA, we might lose Machado to the Phillies... I don't think it's a coincidence that this rumors comes out the same night that the stuff about Pollock in talks with the Dodgers comes out. I think he's their replacement for Joc, hopefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Yeah I believe the Dodgers are talking about these moves to facilitate Pollock rather than Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 The original rumor came from Peggy Kusinski’s kid, FWIW. I’d venture to say this has some legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) Maybe we are building a championship roster: Jimenez, Harper, Pederson, Jay & Engel with Robert waiting is championship level. Edited January 20, 2019 by Jerksticks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, Jerksticks said: Maybe we are building a championship roster: Jimenez, Harper, Pederson, Jay & Engel without Robert waiting is championship level. If we are getting Pederson I would much rather get Machado to help our 3B problem. Our hitting would be playoff caliber IMO, SP is another thing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 So what's Hill and Peterson's salaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I dig it depending on the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, smellysox said: So what's Hill and Peterson's salaries? Pederson makes $5M in 2019, and then 2020 is his final year of arbitration. Hill has 1 year left at $18M. Hopefully Hill is a negative asset and the Sox take him to either reduce the return for Pederson. Makes the "Fulmer/Bummer" scenario more plausible. Dodgers already saved money with the Kemp/Puig deal with the Reds. This deal would save them $21M in AAV against the luxury tax. Pollock would slot in under that amount. Edited January 20, 2019 by ChiliIrishHammock24 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 This deal seems like it would make a lot of sense for both sides. Sox get a quality outfielder and a guy they can slot into the #5 spot in the starting rotation, while the Dodgers clear some salary and get two potential bullpen pieces who are young and under team control for awhile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said: This deal seems like it would make a lot of sense for both sides. Sox get a quality outfielder and a guy they can slot into the #5 spot in the starting rotation, while the Dodgers clear some salary and get two potential bullpen pieces who are young and under team control for awhile. Rich Hill would be the Sox best starter if her were acquired. He gets hurt ever year so I could see him getting slotted as the #3 in the rotation, but when he's healthy it's hard to image he not the best starter on the team. If everything goes perfectly a Rodon, Lopez, Hill, Giolito, Nova isn't going to be so bad that it keeps you from making the playoffs, but most likely it's just a stop gap group that requires three guys to be replaced on a playoff team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, SoCalSox said: The original rumor came from Peggy Kusinski’s kid, FWIW. I’d venture to say this has some legs. Only thing Peggy has broke in her professional career is some camera lenses 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said: Only thing Peggy has broke in her professional career is some camera lenses Wow. Just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, SoCalSox said: The original rumor came from Peggy Kusinski’s kid, FWIW. I’d venture to say this has some legs. Peggy follows Jason on twitter. Who is her kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TomPickle said: Rich Hill would be the Sox best starter if her were acquired. He gets hurt ever year so I could see him getting slotted as the #3 in the rotation, but when he's healthy it's hard to image he not the best starter on the team. If everything goes perfectly a Rodon, Lopez, Hill, Giolito, Nova isn't going to be so bad that it keeps you from making the playoffs, but most likely it's just a stop gap group that requires three guys to be replaced on a playoff team. I do feel better about that starting 5 than what we threw out there last year. Edited January 20, 2019 by smellysox Could Ricky then go with 12 pitchers instead of 13? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaPG Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) I dont really understand the trade. Against RHP Palka and Joc hit very similar as far as HR and Avg last year. Palka had better splits against LHP. Joc is historically bad against lefties and has two years of control left. Palka is not a free agent till 25’. So if this is true id assume* they are searching for a defensive upgrade in the outfield. and see palka as a trade peice for a SP/another part of the roster. Otherwise, this throws me off right now. Even if Rich Hill is part of the proposal, his durability makes me question his value on a rebuilding team on a bridge year Edited January 20, 2019 by IowaPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, IowaPG said: I dont really understand the trade. Against RHP Palka and Joc hit very similar as far as HR and Avg last year. Palka had better splits against LHP. Joc is historically bad against lefties and has two years of control left. Palka is not a free agent till 25’. So if this is true id assume* they are searching for a defensive upgrade in the outfield. and see palka as a trade peice for a SP/another part of the roster. Otherwise, this throws me off right now. Even if Rich Hill is part of the proposal, his durability makes me question his value on a rebuilding team on a bridge year If Palka could passably play CF, let alone RF, then you’d have an argument. 3.1, 3.6 and 2.7, three of his four years he’s averaged 9.4/3=3.1 fWAR if you throw out 2017. Some team’s going to give Bryce Harper $325-375 million counting on at least 4 fWAR seasons. Palka’s projected at 0.6 or 0.5 for 2019, Pederson at 3 again. The key is to have 4-5 guys who can put up a 2-3.5 (Anderson, Abreu, Pederson) and then you have Moncada, Jimenez and Machado to put up really big numbers. That leaves catcher, DH (Alonso/Palka) and RF. A move for Jones or Markakis here would not be shocking if they managed to get Pederson and Machado in the fold. All of a sudden, you have a potentially excellent offense. 2B Moncada 3B Manny Machado 1B Jose Abreu DH Yonder Alonso/Palka LF Eloy Jimenez CF Joc Pederson C Castillo RF Palka/Markakis/Adam Jones SS Tim Anderson Edited January 20, 2019 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Quin said: Also just gonna add that Bryce Bush for Joc Pederson would be incredibly moronic. If any prospect not in the Top 10 has a chance to skyrocket this year, it's him. 100% agree. We should of learned our lesson with hewhoshallnotbenamed. I don’t care if Machado is basically in the bag, Bush can always be used as trade currency in the future when (hopefully) his value has increased. IMO, guys like him, Curbelo, Sosa, Nunez should be off the table in any trades. Yes they all may be lottery tickets, but like you phrased it, they have the best chance to “skyrocket this year” and this rebuild is going to need multiple waves of talent if it’s going to work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) Don't mind me, I'm just gonna share some images of Joc and Manny embracing each other: Edited January 20, 2019 by Ross Gload Fan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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