CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Over 10 years though. So we’d need to make this an annual thing. Maybe on Feb 19th of every year. I would love to see this happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Plan for Fernando Tatis Jr’s free agency in 2026 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 What's Jeff Keppinger up to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, daggins said: Don't sign anyone, win 65 games and get another top 5 pick. There's no free agents even close to these two guys for a few more years, so just wait and re-evaluate next year. enjoy watching that team flounder for another 4 or 5 years this "competitive in 2020" nonsense is just that The Sox do not know how to build a successful team, if people arent willing to use their own two eyes then well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Stay put if we are not going for Harper and wait to sign Machado after 5 years opt out F&*k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 1/28/2019 at 10:29 AM, bmags said: edit: removed initial preamble when i was still happy and naive about our front office not sucking. No Manny The way to read this is the player next to the position is starter, the players to right are IN ORDER the depth that I believe them to be, and this includes both realistic use within that year, and then the longer it goes out longer term planning. X means needs upgrade, O means likely set. X C - Zevala // Collins X 1b - Alonso // Palka // Collins // Sheets // Rose // Burger O 2b - Moncada // Madrigal // Mendick O SS - Anderson // Madrigal // Rondon // Mendick // Rivera X 3b - Sanchez // Madrigal // Rondon // Burger O LF - Jimenez // Basabe // Gonzalez // Rutherford O CF - Robert // Basabe // Gonzalez // Engel O RF - Adolfo // Basabe // Gonzalez // Rutherford X DH - Alonso // Palka // Collins // Adolfo X SP SP1 - Kopech SP2 - Rodon SP3 - Cease SP4 - Lopez SP5 - Giolito // Dunning // Stephens // Lambert N/A RP (how could I know how well these guys will do) RP 1 - Colome RP 2 - Herrerra RP 3 - Fry RP 4 - Burdi RP 5 - Hamilton RP 6 - Bummer RP 7 - Johnson // Frare // burr // schryver // veiera // etc etc UPGRADE Possibilities C - Grandal // Cervelli (FA) 1b // DH - Castellanos, Goldschmidt, Khris Davis, Abreu 3b - Rendon, Arenado, Donaldson 3b (by way of SS upgrade) - Bogaerts, Didi SP - Sale, Bumgarner, Chacin, Wheeler, Wacha, Porcello, Pineda Ideally, you get one vet, strong anchor for this staff. But if not, see how pineda does this year. I initially thought Salazar was a FA this year but not until 2021...ugh. Takeaways Manny just makes too much sense. It gives legit depth with 4 good athletic infielders, and allow tim to be a potential OFer if that depth doesn't pan out immediately. The way out without Manny isn't horrible though, just pretty bad. Clearly corner bats can be upgrades big time in 2020 from where they are expected. Obviously, if we don't get manny this year I have zero belief they would get Arenado. But Castellanos as a 1b/dh may be a perfect fit. Catcher is the position that could singlehandedly reverse itself with good year, and possibly 1b if Palka becomes good. SP I think should add one regardless of how good everyone looks. Just me, but ideally the winner of Dunning/Lopez is your fifth starter and our fifth starter is great, or if they both turn out you trade Rodon in season for guys. Outfield NEEDS to hit, especially if Moncada is just a starter and not an all star. Thank you all for not reading. Bottom line, if we sign Machado I'm feeling really good for 2020-2023. I wrote this when I was trying to figure out how big a disaster it would be if machado didn't sign. It's still a disaster, but it was helpful to me to figure out what is required to keep rebuild on track. Mainly - we can't underestimate likelihood that we'll feature only an average offense. They really need to find big bats in the corners, not just .800 ops 1b, they need to be great, because we don't know that we will get great offense from our other positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, bmags said: I wrote this when I was trying to figure out how big a disaster it would be if machado didn't sign. It's still a disaster, but it was helpful to me to figure out what is required to keep rebuild on track. Mainly - we can't underestimate likelihood that we'll feature only an average offense. They really need to find big bats in the corners, not just .800 ops 1b, they need to be great, because we don't know that we will get great offense from our other positions. They're going to draft Vaughn and try to have him up in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I still hope to see them add a SP. You didn’t get Machado, please don’t make me watch covey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I think I'm going to cry a lot. Complain on the internet some more. Thanks for asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 305 BOYS RAWLINGS GLOVES, SOX GOT THIS ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 No reason to risk your money on these vets when it's so hard to tell how long it will be before the team is competing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigSexy23 said: Well, we all kind of thought deep down this day would come. What else can we do this offseason? Here are notable players still available: Position Players Bryce Harper (OF) - Unlikely Marwin Gonzalez (UTIL) Josh Harrison (2B) Adam Jones (OF) Jose Iglesias (SS) Carlos Gonzalez (OF) Denard Span (OF) Pitchers Dallas Keuchel (SP) Gio Gonzalez (SP) Clay Buchholz (SP) Craig Kimbrel (RP) Tony Sipp (RP) Nick Vincent (RP) Adam Warren (RP) Is it worth looking into any of these guys or should we be looking forward to next year's class? (Which is loaded by the way) No. For what? Let the kids play. Edited February 19, 2019 by chetkincaid That apostrophe sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: They're going to draft Vaughn and try to have him up in 2020. I was about to write that in a post in the machado thread, how they were going to accelerate signing b free agents and were definitely going to draft vaugn and a college pitcher in round 2, but deleted it to not sound too angry online haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) For a bit of positivity on this day of negativity: If the Sox really aren't going to be players on the FA market they need to spend less money on the team and take the ~30M or whatever they were going to spend on Machado or Harper and pour it into scouting, analytics, the international market and player development. Go be the Rays or A's. If you want to be that type of team, do it right. Edited February 19, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: enjoy watching that team flounder for another 4 or 5 years this "competitive in 2020" nonsense is just that The Sox do not know how to build a successful team, if people arent willing to use their own two eyes then well.. Hey, I didn't say i'd like it. Do what you can - voice your displeasure to the org and/or media, cancel your tickets, whatever. Just know that there is no history of the Sox being responsive to fan concerns, and a very long history of insulating their failures from any real consequence. Basically, if you're someone who wants change after repeated failures (really, all of us), you shouldn't get your hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: For a bit of positivity on this day of negativity: If the Sox really aren't going to be players on the FA market they need to spend less money on the team and take the ~30M or whatever they were going to spend on Machado or Harper and pour it into scouting, analytics, the international market and player development. Go be the Rays or A's. If you want to be that type of team, do it right. Cmon man, you know this isn't happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, daggins said: Cmon man, you know this isn't happening. Way to burst my bubble dude. I give up then. Edited February 19, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Way to burst my bubble dude. I give up then. promise? ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 What’s next? Continue to not watch this shit bag organization. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, bmags said: I was about to write that in a post in the machado thread, how they were going to accelerate signing b free agents and were definitely going to draft vaugn and a college pitcher in round 2, but deleted it to not sound too angry online haha They're still way to fucking conservative in the draft for my liking. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I had hoped that Sale taught them a lesson about taking calculated risks in the draft but I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tony said: Today is not a day you have to “be positive” It’s a historically bad day for the franchise, and quite frankly not a single fan should have any faith in JR-KW-RH. Yes, Eloy may be amazing. Moncada might figure it out. Then what? Does anyone really have faith this front office can field a 25 man roster that is really going to be dangerous? I just don’t anymore. I’m finally to the point of just 0% faith. I don't disagree at all. Just trying to lighten up the mood. If we're all at zero faith on this (I think that is pretty much the consensus) then we need to treat JR like he's Bill Wirtz. Watch on TV, sure. But don't go to games or buy merchandise. If new ownership ever comes in and does it right, we need to embrace them like the city embraced the Hawks during their turnaround. Edited February 19, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I still really enjoyed watching 2017. 2018 was tolerable. I thought this year would be at least interesting to watch it all start to come together. I ... have never been less excited for a sox year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: They're still way to fucking conservative in the draft for my liking. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I had hoped that Sale taught them a lesson about taking calculated risks in the draft but I guess not. Sale was still a college pitcher who they could rush up to the big leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bigsoxhurt35 said: What’s next? Continue to not watch this shit bag organization. Exactly, I cancelled mlb.tv for the first time in over a decade. I have zero trust in this organization to do what has to be done to build a winner. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Sale was still a college pitcher who they could rush up to the big leagues. There are times to be conservative and there are times to take risks. It all depends on who is on the board. They never take a fucking risk. Last year was the perfect example. They had a chance to take a risk on Liberatore and they blew it by taking the "safe" pick in Madrigal. Same thing in 2017 with Burger. Edited February 19, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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