turnin' two Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, GreenSox said: 2016 alone (and this doesn't include every signing) when the Sox were "going for it": Austin Jackson $5 million Navarro $4 million Latos $3 million Avila $2.5 million Albers $2 million Rollins $2 million Turner $1.5 million Total: $20 million And for the coup de grace, add $5 million for Shields. Had to double check the list, couldn't even remember who Turner was. The answer, not one of the several good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 The best thing is that Hahn will have to own his crappy offseason and continue to lie and say that both Alonso and Jay were targets for the Sox because of their own talents and not due to their ties to Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Flash Tizzle said: I just can’t get over Alonso and Jay. I thought there’s just no way a conpetent GM would ever bring them aboard unless it would just about guarantee any tiebreaker goes to the Sox. I was naive to believe they’d ever tie any offer above their cheap baseline They literally did everything wrong: raised expectations extending back years, signed/traded for a friend and relative, then provided an incentive laden contract instead of meeting Machados reasonable demands. Hahn/KW/JR all obtained shitlord status after this. The trolling done was beautiful Great post. You couldn’t get bamboozled worse than Hahn and Kenny did. Raising the fans expectations a year in advance was the best part so they ensured that they would eat shit for this epic failure for a long time. Edited February 20, 2019 by Machado2Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Had to double check the list, couldn't even remember who Turner was. The answer, not one of the several good ones. He had a 6.49 ERA, a 1.5 WHIP and averaged 4.4 strikeouts the year before....and Hahn paid him $1.5 million..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 There is 100% guarantee that for the next 10 years the Sox will have ~$20m+ in wasted trash players on the roster. Fuck this franchise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, jenksycat said: There is 100% guarantee that for the next 10 years the Sox will have ~$20m+ in wasted trash players on the roster. Fuck this franchise Exactly right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 hours ago, bmags said: Nobody asked for it, but just to prove just how terrible hahn has been as GM at free agency now with our 2018-19 class. (this is somewhat edited toward players likely to be mlb signings) I bolded anyone that was a great signing (exceeded value of contract). 2012-13 Dewayne Wise Jeff Keppinger Tony Pena Matt Lindstrom 2013-14 Jose Abreu (skeptical if it counts) Zack Putnam Felipe Paulino Ronald Belisario Scott Downs Dylan Axelrod Brian Omogrosso 2014-15 Junior Guerra (let go for nothing later) Zack Duke Adam LaRoche David Robertson Melky Cabrera Brad Penny Emilio Bonifacio Geovany Soto Scott Carroll Jesse Crain Gordon Beckham Nicky Delmonico Matt Albers 2015-16 Matt Purke Alex Avila Dioner Navarro Jacob Turner Matt Albers Mat Latos Jimmy Rollins Austin Jackson Chris Volstad 2016-17 Derek Holland Cody Asche Everth Cabrera Geovany Soto Gregory Infante Anthony Swarzak Peter Bourjas 2017-18 Matt Skole Welington Castillo Miguel Gonzalez Chris Volstad Xavier Cedeno Jeanmar Gomez Bruce Rondon Hector Santiago 2018-19 James McCann Kelvin Herrerra Jon Jay Who is excited to go discount shopping with Rick Hahn?? We have plenty of money for b/c free agents! Haha what a list. It's unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 There goes Harrison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Sockin said: There goes Harrison. Thank god, Hahn needs MLB's help to save him from himself. Bum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Sockin said: There goes Harrison. Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Good. Right? I don't mind him as a player but why wouldn't we give Rondon the ABs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, bschmaranz said: Right? I don't mind him as a player but why wouldn't we give Rondon the ABs? Because why not, it's not like we're going to use the money elsewhere, we may as well blow it and let some of the guys who are trapped here walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Are the Sox even allowed to DFA Jay if they wanted to after spring training? Has something like that ever happened before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Are the Sox even allowed to DFA Jay if they wanted to after spring training? Has something like that ever happened before? Jon Jay is fine for this roster and team, we need a 4th OF. Alonso on the other hand has no reason to really be on this roster. Edited February 20, 2019 by BigHurt3515 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Are the Sox even allowed to DFA Jay if they wanted to after spring training? Has something like that ever happened before? DFAing someone before they even played a game? I don't know. Just signing someone to lure a free agent over only to fail? No, that has never happened. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: Jon Jay is fine for this roster and team, we need a 4th OF. Alonso on the other hand has no reason to really be on this roster. Would rather see Leury, Engel, Delmonico, and Palka...Fuck Jay Eloy will be up soon as well Like I said, wish CWS stayed put aside from adding bullpen pieces or a star Maybe Kimbrel makes sense now if possible, Sox are loaded in the system there however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 Yesterday I said I would actually count up the WAR and $ and see the totals. So interestingly enough this pretty much all depends on whether you would consider Jose Abreu a "FA" signing. I did in this, but it's controversial because I think he should be more included as an international free agent. So, WITH ABREU Total Players (not including 2019 due to WAR): 43 Total Dollars: $254 million Total bWAR: 26.9 $/WAR: $9.5 million WITHOUT abreu Total Players: 42 Total Dollars: 177 million Total bWAR: 8.2 $/WAR: 21.6 million Best non abreu signing? I think it's likely Swarzak, who produced 1.9 WAR on 900k Zach Putnam also produced 3.1 WAR on total 862k over several years Melky and David robertson come in right around 9 million per WAR, so not terrible. Total negative WAR players? 50% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Wait, 21 of his free agent signings have been negative players? I would love to see the full list when you have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Wait, 21 of his free agent signings have been negative players? I would love to see the full list when you have a chance. Yeah i can't figure out the shared spreadsheet. But all negative during their sox years (I took total sox career numbers from 2013-2018. Some had positive one year and horribly negative next). Dewayne Wise Jeff Keppinger Felipe Paulino Ronald Belisario Scott Downs Dylan Axelrod Brian Ommogrosso Zack Duke Adam LaRoche Emilio Bonifacio Scott Carroll Matt Albers Matt Purke Dioner Navarro Jacob Turner Jimmy Rollins Austin Jackson Chris Volstad Derek Holland Cody Asche Jeanmar Gomez Bruce Rondon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R_yaQ3MB5ExjZ9c8Z8BKk4quxB40prLBjKdPSmEZoug/edit?usp=sharing Some numbers I got from spotrac vs. baseball ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Nice work bmags, atrocious but somehow expected even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheTruth05 said: Nice work bmags, atrocious but somehow expected even worse. You gotta hand it to abreu, he really muddies the water here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, bmags said: Yesterday I said I would actually count up the WAR and $ and see the totals. So interestingly enough this pretty much all depends on whether you would consider Jose Abreu a "FA" signing. I did in this, but it's controversial because I think he should be more included as an international free agent. So, WITH ABREU Total Players (not including 2019 due to WAR): 43 Total Dollars: $254 million Total bWAR: 26.9 $/WAR: $9.5 million WITHOUT abreu Total Players: 42 Total Dollars: 177 million Total bWAR: 8.2 $/WAR: 21.6 million Best non abreu signing? I think it's likely Swarzak, who produced 1.9 WAR on 900k Zach Putnam also produced 3.1 WAR on total 862k over several years Melky and David robertson come in right around 9 million per WAR, so not terrible. Total negative WAR players? 50% Isn’t $9.5M/WAR pretty much exactly in line with or just a bit worse than league averages? That’s interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, bmags said: You gotta hand it to abreu, he really muddies the water here. Yup, without him that list goes from really sad to damn near parody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I wonder what a similar evaluation would look like with the Cubs since Theo took over? Lester certainly helps, much like Abreu did here, but Heyward, Chatwood, Darvish would all bring down the production rates significantly. Moral of the story? Hahn hasn’t been good with free agent signings overall but his bad signings are greatly magnified because he is consistently working with low payrolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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