caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: None of them, not a single one, had the advantage of the head start created by the Sale, Eaton, and Quintana deals, not to mention the multiple years of top 15 to top 3 draft picks before it even started. Just imagine if we ended up with Kolek or Aiken that year...well, Aiken turned out to be a huge blessing in disguise for the Astros. With our luck, he'll probably become a Cy Young award winner for the Indians. It's so easy to say...well, we almost had Benintendi or Nola or Buehler or Tatis (well, we DID have him) or Machado, but then you look up at your roster and it's still going to be impossible to get past the 72-74 win mark and you start thinking they're going to be "mired in mediocrity" forever, it's just that they took the most creative/inventive path to get there. Especially with Alonso/Jay/Castillo on the roster...personifying that failure on an everyday basis for everyone who comes into the locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, SCCWS said: Hopefully they gave Alonso an opt-out so he can move to SD. Hopefully, they gave Hahn at opt out so that he can move to SD. He's certainly done a lot to help the Padres while not working for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 He was at least right that the Sox don't need to overpay to bring in FA, 10/300 for Machado is not an overpay in the slightest and got it done. The big problem is that the FO somehow thinks it's outlandish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: What about those 4 moves over the next few weeks? He said this at Soxfest. I'm not saying he won't make any, just that he shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, Scoots said: This is so accurate. It took many many seasons for those teams to finally get to winning...we are in what, just beginning year 3? Its not time yet... Luhnow built the Astros in 3 seasons (some disposal work had occurred before he arrived, but not that much). The Brewers rebuilt in 2. It took Theo 3. Now does Hahn get deference to be like the Royals and Pirates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Or pitchers like Covey and Fulmer who are going to be blocked by the likes of the forgettable Ivan "Thankfully I'm Not James Shields But Will Inevitably Be Compared to Him" Shields or Banuelos. How is Carson Fulmer blocked? The guy hasn't earned the right to fill water in the MLB with the way he's performed. Let's relax before lambasting the team for not throwing that guy out there every 5th day to throw BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How is Carson Fulmer blocked? The guy hasn't earned the right to fill water in the MLB with the way he's performed. Let's relax before lambasting the team for not throwing that guy out there every 5th day to throw BP. Driveline miracles, baby!!! He's rediscovered the missing magic after everyone tinkered with him, and pushed him to the big leagues well before he was ready. Do you honestly believe Nova or even Rodon are part of the long-term solution in Chicago? Of course not. Same with Banuelos and Medeiros. All of the focus should be on Lopez, Giolito, Kopech, Cease, Dunning and getting whatever they can out of Covey and Fulmer. Edited February 21, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Hopefully, they gave Hahn at opt out so that he can move to SD. He's certainly done a lot to help the Padres while not working for them. Except then we'd end up with Jeremy Haber (Hahn trained to his core) as GM and nothing would change. I'm starting to think that we have a better chance of fighting for new tax laws to punish capital gains prohibitively....or that propose 70% tax in wealth over $10 million, that might scare JR and his family enough to sell the White Sox before it becomes a reality in 2021 or 2022 (now I'm not saying it's a good idea, it just needs to be a credible threat to all the rich people and corporations in America that it just MIGHT happen...) Because we'd be better off spending time and energy advocating for that (which would lead to an ownership sale) than rearranging the deck chairs in the front office. All of that's just window dressing, in reality. As long as KW and JR are still around, nothing's ever going to change, period. The Luis Robert signing was some alternative reality/alternate reality false flag that got everyone's hopes up they were actually going to change the way they do (and approach) business for the modern, analytics-driven era of baseball management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: They started from the best position, and are having the worst results, which should be surprising to nobody. Fool me once, shame on you.. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'm not getting fooled a 2nd time. How are they having the worst results? JFC. They failed to sign Manny - in no way has their rebuild been shown to be a failure. They are in year 3 for god sakes. Let's all relax a little bit. Cubs and Astros were dumpster fires year 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How is Carson Fulmer blocked? The guy hasn't earned the right to fill water in the MLB with the way he's performed. Let's relax before lambasting the team for not throwing that guy out there every 5th day to throw BP. Where was that article about Fulmer having the best spring results of his pro career by doing exactly the opposite things that the Sox told him to? Edited February 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How are they having the worst results? JFC. They failed to sign Manny - in no way has their rebuild been shown to be a failure. They are in year 3 for god sakes. Let's all relax a little bit. Cubs and Astros were dumpster fires year 3. It hasn’t failed, but there’s been an enormously momentum stoppage with it. Between young guys sucking in the majors and injuries in the minors, the organization desperately needs progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How are they having the worst results? JFC. They failed to sign Manny - in no way has their rebuild been shown to be a failure. They are in year 3 for god sakes. Let's all relax a little bit. Cubs and Astros were dumpster fires year 3. The one big difference is that they already had Altuve and I'm pretty sure Keuchel as well. We don't have anything close...Moncada's the closest approximation, but he's closer to being out of baseball than being the AL MVP, unless we can turn back the clock to last April 23rd and pretend he's a 920ish OPS guy. Edited February 21, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How are they having the worst results? JFC. They failed to sign Manny - in no way has their rebuild been shown to be a failure. They are in year 3 for god sakes. Let's all relax a little bit. Cubs and Astros were dumpster fires year 3. I don't think any of the Cubs/Astros players were as big of a disaster in their first full season in MLB as Moncada and Giolito were last year. The Sox could have taken an 18 year old Mike Trout and turned him into a bust. Edited February 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Luhnow built the Astros in 3 seasons (some disposal work had occurred before he arrived, but not that much). The Brewers rebuilt in 2. It took Theo 3. Now does Hahn get deference to be like the Royals and Pirates? Wrong - Astros lost 88, 86, 106, 107, 111, and 92 games before they won 86 (LOL at took 3 years) Wrong - Cubs lost 87, 91, 101, 96 and 89 before they won 97 games (LOL at 3 years) I'm not even going to address the absurdity that is the Brewers comment: Everything you posted is factually wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, fathom said: It hasn’t failed, but there’s been an enormously momentum stoppage with it. Between young guys sucking in the majors and injuries in the minors, the organization desperately needs progress. Keith Law's going to to rank us 20th next year...because Kopech and Cease will have graduated and our first round draft pick this summer will already be up at the big league level in August and September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Where was that article about Fulmer having the best spring results of his pro career by doing exactly the opposite things that the Sox told him to? Now you're going to blast the White Sox arm development? Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh Spring Results lol. Yeah, and Lucas Giolito was the Cy Young last year after spring training. How about Carson Fulmer shows he can get AAA hitters out before we start saying he's fixed himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How are they having the worst results? JFC. They failed to sign Manny - in no way has their rebuild been shown to be a failure. They are in year 3 for god sakes. Let's all relax a little bit. Cubs and Astros were dumpster fires year 3. I'd take Theo over KW and RH anyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Wrong - Astros lost 88, 86, 106, 107, 111, and 92 games before they won 86 (LOL at took 3 years) Wrong - Cubs lost 87, 91, 101, 96 and 89 before they won 97 games (LOL at 3 years) I'm not even going to address the absurdity that is the Brewers comment: Everything you posted is factually wrong. And what were our losses since 2008? Clearly, we've been rebuilding for 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Now you're going to blast the White Sox arm development? Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh Spring Results lol. Yeah, and Lucas Giolito was the Cy Young last year after spring training. How about Carson Fulmer shows he can get AAA hitters out before we start saying he's fixed himself. They haven't developed an arm since McCarthy and a position player since Crede. Sale doesn't count because he was up 3-4 weeks after he got drafted. He was MLB ready out of the NCAA. Cub fans shouldn't be worried one bit about Eloy and Cease. The Sox will find some way to ruin them. Edited February 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I don't think any of the Cubs/Astros players were as big of a disaster in their first full season in MLB as Moncada and Giolito were last year. The Sox could have taken an 18 year old Mike Trout and turned him into a bust. Javy Baez and Moncada's first full years in the big leagues were incredibly similar. The Cubs never had any real pitching prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Wrong - Astros lost 88, 86, 106, 107, 111, and 92 games before they won 86 (LOL at took 3 years) Wrong - Cubs lost 87, 91, 101, 96 and 89 before they won 97 games (LOL at 3 years) I'm not even going to address the absurdity that is the Brewers comment: Everything you posted is factually wrong. 99, 89, 86, 84, 95, 100. That's >10 more losses than any other team in baseball over that 6 year stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Wrong - Astros lost 88, 86, 106, 107, 111, and 92 games before they won 86 (LOL at took 3 years) Wrong - Cubs lost 87, 91, 101, 96 and 89 before they won 97 games (LOL at 3 years) I'm not even going to address the absurdity that is the Brewers comment: Everything you posted is factually wrong. We only need to trade for the next Christian Yelich (highway robbery, there), sign the next LoCain at a fair price, add in Moustakas (oops, that ship sailed)...maybe Marwin Gonzalez instead...and possess a starting rotation that runs 7-8 deep with one of the best, if not THE best, bullpen in MLB. Since we're going with Astros model, might as well throw Keuchel in there as well, or Gio, at least. (It would also help to have a blocked 1B from another organization fall directly into their laps.) Easy, peezy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: They haven't developed an arm since McCarthy and a position player since Crede. Sale doesn't count because he was up 3-4 weeks after he got drafted. He was MLB ready out of the NCAA. Not unless you count Daniel Hudson...or Jose Quintana, who obviously came over from the Mets/Yankees and spent almost no time in our minor league system. Seems like a theme...because Alexei Ramirez and Jose Abreu also skipped over our minor leagues. Maybe we just need to develop players by completely bypassing our minor league system altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 So if the White Sox sign Manny, they're on their way and everyone is rosey... but without Manny, the rebuild is a failure and they'll never succeed. So someone remind me again... why would they sign Manny if the rebuild was failing and they were in a bad place? No one has been able to answer that. Manny wasn't fixing a disaster in the making as everyone is claiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 99, 89, 86, 84, 95, 100. That's >10 more losses than any other team in baseball over that 6 year stretch. And yet, the Astros lost MORE games during their six year stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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