VAfan Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I don't post here much any more. But I decided I just wanted to put this out there. I was disappointed the Sox didn't get Machado, even though I think the guy has some attitude flaws. But what burns me as a Sox fan was the team's horrific blunder of trading Fernando Tatis Jr in the deal for James Shields. It was all brought home when the Padres, not the Sox, ended up with Machado too. If you think of it this way - if the Sox still had Tatis Jr, they would have had a lot less need to go after Machado. Here are Tatis's numbers in AA at age 19 88 394 353 77 101 22 4 16 43 16 5 33 109 .286 .355 .507 .862 179 Here are Machado's numbers at age 19 in AA 109 459 402 60 107 26 5 11 59 13 4 48 70 .266 .352 .438 .789 176 If you didn't know who was who, you'd have to prefer Tatis's numbers to Machado's. That one ill advised trade is one of the reasons the Sox's rebuilding plan may never work. The Sox are AT LEAST one major controlled talent from being contenders any time soon. And it may turn out that Tatis Jr. is better than any of the young talent the Sox actually have, with the possible exception of Eloy Jimenez. What the heck were the Sox thinking? I can't think of any other prospects the Sox have traded who have turned into studs. It's possible Tatis won't turn into a stud either. But right now, I sure wish he were still with the Sox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Very original topic. I don't think this has ever been discussed before. 2 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TaylorStSox said: Very original topic. I don't think this has ever been discussed before. I'm sure it has, but it wasn't it's own thread since the Machado deal went down. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 nice to see you posting VAFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 interesting enough both tatis and machado both played in pretty big pitchers parks in AA so the power numbers are pretty great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Hey didn't Shields teach Dunning a new curveball? That's got to be worth something, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Trading Tatis is forgivable. Missing on Manny and wanting to acquire Shields are inexcusable. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, VAfan said: I'm sure it has, but it wasn't it's own thread since the Machado deal went down. Probably because this is the 37th thread about how stupid of a trade it was. I'll save everyone's time. The Sox suck. The front office Sucks. The player development sucks. The drafting sucks. Carry on. Edited February 21, 2019 by TaylorStSox 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I almost forgot. The southside sucks. The neighborhood sucks. The ballpark kind of sucks. The uniforms are nice though. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Trading Tatis is forgivable. Missing on Manny and wanting to acquire Shields are inexcusable. And starting the year with Latos and Rollins and arguing you were legitimately attempting to compete...then not realizing that 23-10 start was just a false positive, that it wasn’t going to turn out like 2000 and 2005 and 2008 but was headed for more of a 2010/12 type of ending, at best. Someone was arguing Preller wasn’t that good. Well, he was certainly good enough to remember the original scouting report on Tatis, even though they hadn’t signed him for a very affordable price in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I almost forgot. The southside sucks. The neighborhood sucks. The ballpark kind of sucks. The uniforms are nice though. Chris Sale said they suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Very original topic. I don't think this has ever been discussed before. And a very good contribution! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Complete puppets are running the front office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 The horse is dead. Jfc 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I don’t think I will ever root for a seemingly nice young man to fail more than Tatis. But chances are he’s going to be very good. Obviously another another tarnish in the ever growing list of mishaps over the past decade plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: And starting the year with Latos and Rollins and arguing you were legitimately attempting to compete...then not realizing that 23-10 start was just a false positive, that it wasn’t going to turn out like 2000 and 2005 and 2008 but was headed for more of a 2010/12 type of ending, at best. Someone was arguing Preller wasn’t that good. Well, he was certainly good enough to remember the original scouting report on Tatis, even though they hadn’t signed him for a very affordable price in the first place. In doing my research on SD Int'l signings I was looking at the 2015 list of Top 30 Int'l prospects. That was a pretty good group. Vlad Jr. was #7 signed for $3.9M, Juan Soto #25 signed for $1.5 M and Tatis #30 signed for 700K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Probably because this is the 37th thread about how stupid of a trade it was. I'll save everyone's time. The Sox suck. The front office Sucks. The player development sucks. The drafting sucks. Carry on. Finally, you agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Finally, you agree. The problems are obvious. Repeating them over and over won't change that. It's been a miserable year for Sox fans, but I never wanted any of the FA's anyway. I think signing a major FA is way too big of a gamble for a team with the Sox market. Its been miserable for me because of all the set backs in the minors and Moncada's year. Aside from Eloy, the highlights of the minor league season were Cease and Adolfo not sucking. That's a pretty low bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Even then Adolfo's value goes way down if he can't continue to showcase that shotgun of an arm...but all indications are that 90% of players come back, and many are even better than before. It's just a matter of his offense at Birmingham, as he's seemingly been in the low minors forever. He probably has the most natural talent of any player in the system after Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 All we need at this point is an attendance thread. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: All we need at this point is an attendance thread. You’ll have that in a couple months and you can thank Hahn, Kenny, and JR for it in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: All we need at this point is an attendance thread. This would be one of those years where it would be advisable to announce tickets sold and not fannies actually in the seats. I might start one around the end of April, but I don't even have the heart to care about attendance at the moment simply because the front office has proven time and time again they don't really care about White Sox fans, so why the heck should we care about their inability to sell tickets...? It's not OUR problem, it's THEIRS. Edited February 22, 2019 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hello! Fresh meat here. So it appears that Tatis is pretty much a top 3 prospect in all of baseball. What does his trade value look like? Does he now have more value alone than the entire package received by the Sox in the Sale trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: Hello! Fresh meat here. So it appears that Tatis is pretty much a top 3 prospect in all of baseball. What does his trade value look like? Does he now have more value alone than the entire package received by the Sox in the Sale trade? https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/card/108651/fernando-tatis-jr. See bottom of the page. He's ahead of everyone in MiLB but Vladimir Guerrero, Jr., and probably has more all-around fWAR in his game because of his speed and defensive ability at SS. Acuna's someone that a lot of scouts wouldn't give up for him, same thing with Bregman...and most of the Top 10 listed below, along with Betts/Harper/Machado. In terms of pure value, though, there are lots of interesting arguments out there. For what it's worth, Moncada is still listed at #22. No Kopech. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2817347-ranking-mlbs-25-best-players-under-25-entering-the-2019-season#slide14 Edited February 22, 2019 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/card/108651/fernando-tatis-jr. See bottom of the page. He's ahead of everyone in MiLB but Vladimir Guerrero, Jr., and probably has more all-around fWAR in his game because of his speed and defensive ability at SS. Acuna's someone that a lot of scouts wouldn't give up for him, same thing with Bregman...and most of the Top 10 listed below, along with Betts/Harper/Machado. In terms of pure value, though, there are lots of interesting arguments out there. For what it's worth, Moncada is still listed at #22. No Kopech. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2817347-ranking-mlbs-25-best-players-under-25-entering-the-2019-season#slide14 Thanks for the link. The Kansas City Royals have two players on that list. The Sox only have one. That is no bueno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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