hogan873 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I was thinking about this over the weekend. If the Sox don't miraculously sign Harper, should they make any other moves for the outfield? I'm torn. I don't see a ton of value in signing a veteran unless possibly hoping for some production that could be used to trade at the deadline, or adding that veteran for stability. I'm not too excited about the Sox current outfield outside of Eloy when he comes up. What does SoxTalk think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHatesShe Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 *when 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, HeHatesShe said: *when I know...but there's the last shred of optimism in me coming through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Let your plethora of OF prospects make their way up 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I voted for roll with what you have, unless the price for joc is as low as some speculated earlier. I just don't see it. The guy makes $5 million and put up a 2.7 fWAR and is projected around the same. I think the package the Sox were rumored to send back was more than a little light. It wouldn't be worth giving up something more valuable for him for at least one, if not two non contending years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHatesShe Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 It is still, unfortunately, misguided. But I voted for stand pat. Besides Joc, any other would be just another expensive stop-gap. And if the aking price for Joc was reasonable, it would have been done a month ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 They have to see what they have with their current players. Don't sign anyone who could block Palka/Delmonico/Cordell/Engel/whoever. It's likely none of those players amount to much but on the off-chance one does you would never see it signing a mediocre veteran who likely won't be much better. They need to lose now and lose until their minor leaguers start to produce. Once that happens you can look at filling holes with short-term acquisitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Why isn't "Release John Jay and roll with what they have" an option? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Think about the pitchers!! Why won't anybody think about the pitchers? RF defense with Palka there would be absolutely brutal. Singles would become doubles, doubles triples, and even outs could become doubles or triples. You can add a half run to everyone's ERA with Palka in RF. That is why I'm ok with CarGo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Think about the pitchers!! Why won't anybody think about the pitchers? RF defense with Palka there would be absolutely brutal. Singles would become doubles, doubles triples, and even outs could become doubles or triples. You can add a half run to everyone's ERA with Palka in RF. That is why I'm ok with CarGo. FIP should help control for that. I agree it sucks making pitchers labor more with bad outfield play but at this point I'm more worried about finding actual good pitching instead of losing half a run to ERA from a bad RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Don't do a thing. Since it's a development year and assuming Eloy solidifies himself in one of the corner OF spots, let jay/Engel keep CF warm and see what Palka has to offer. In the mean time play the waiting game to see who comes up first from the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I voted for roll with what they have. Considering the strike out on top players, I'd be open to trading for Joc depending on cost. If it's what someone said (fulmer, something something), it's a buy low and offers chance for sox to negotiate in only place they are effective...when there are no other bidders. I like Joc's talent a lot, and if you have a plethora of good outfielders, then you have a great outfield with a perfect platoon bat. You can let joc prove if he can CF or not, and if he is a true CFer, you can trade him having proved his value again. Now, that package seemed incredible at time, but I guess possible when they just wanted to get rid of a redundancy with pollock? Now I would assume what "gets it done" may include a basabe and I'm not really interested in trading that away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Think about the pitchers!! Why won't anybody think about the pitchers? RF defense with Palka there would be absolutely brutal. Singles would become doubles, doubles triples, and even outs could become doubles or triples. You can add a half run to everyone's ERA with Palka in RF. That is why I'm ok with CarGo. I like Palka a lot...as a hitter. But you're right about the defense. That's why I wouldn't be against adding someone...only if the price was low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Nothing. Give players development time. Signing a rando just to add one or two wins does the franchise harm at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, hogan873 said: I like Palka a lot...as a hitter. But you're right about the defense. That's why I wouldn't be against adding someone...only if the price was low. If they're going to roll with Eloy, Jay and Palka in the OF.....That's just brutal. You almost have to start Engel in CF, and it makes me want to barf just typing that. The OF defense is a joke right now. An absolute joke. And that is an understatement. They have HS quality D in the OF right now. It is just a fucking joke. Edited February 25, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Eminor3rd said: Nothing. Give players development time. Signing a rando just to add one or two wins does the franchise harm at this point. It isn't about the hitters it's about the pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: It isn't about the hitters it's about the pitchers. It won’t make enough of a difference to affect the pitchers’ development. Might affect their ERAs a bit, make them throw a few more pitches here and there, but they’ll need to tough through that if they’re going to eventually be good anyway. Jones/CarGo aren’t good OFers either at this stage of their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Don't do anything. Let Palka get his 3 ABs a game and then bring Engel in for defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Eminor3rd said: It won’t make enough of a difference to affect the pitchers’ development. Might affect their ERAs a bit, make them throw a few more pitches here and there, but they’ll need to tough through that if they’re going to eventually be good anyway. Jones/CarGo aren’t good OFers either at this stage of their careers. What if they get hurt throwing more pitches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: What if they get hurt throwing more pitches? The coaches should take them out of the game before that becomes a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Eminor3rd said: The coaches should take them out of the game before that becomes a concern. That hurts their development. The issue is that poor OF defense could affect the ability of the young pitching staff to, you know, complete 5-6 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Jones, CarGo, Span, Manny, Ken Griffey Jr., Erstad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Only guy I would take is cargo. And that's if we didn't have yonder. So its a moot point. And people need to stop the release jon jay shit. Sox already have a crappy rep. That's something you don't do. You don't sign a guy to attract his buddy and just because you missed you take it out on him. Jay is not a horrible player. Not an all star but a solid role player. You need those on a young team. It ain't his fault this team is ran by a bunch of jack wagons.... Edited February 25, 2019 by JoshPR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Joc would be option 1 but no way we get him for nothing and I don't want Bush included. Let's roll w what we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: That hurts their development. The issue is that poor OF defense could affect the ability of the young pitching staff to, you know, complete 5-6 innings. The amount of innings they complete is irrelevant — it’s an arbitrary number the pitcher can’t control. It’s about the amount of effective pitches they can throw. It’s about building mental and physical endurance. If Lopez throws 100 great pitches, but only gets through four because Palka ran the wrong direction on a pop up, it’s a still positive outing. If that leads to the bullpen being taxed, well then we call up fucking Chris Volstad again. Unfortunately, the W’s just don’t matter yet. Edited February 25, 2019 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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