mqr Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Somehow Paddy has a job for life despite only a single LatAm signing reaching AA under his watch (and not even with us unfortunately). This really shouldn't be a surprise. Edited February 26, 2019 by mqr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m pretty sure I just expressed this exact concern like a week ago. But dumb question, is forearm discomfort the same as elbow pain? Is there reason to expect the worse here or could this be some lesser injury? I've read where forearm pain is a strong indication of a serious issue to come usually ending up with TJ surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Salt. Wound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) It’s becoming apparent Dunning can not be counted on. Injuries have derailed a ton of prospects. Edited February 26, 2019 by Soxfest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, Lip Man 1 said: I've read where forearm pain is a strong indication of a serious issue to come usually ending up with TJ surgery. I'm not sure if ever seen 'Forearm discomfort' not end in TJ at some point or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Remember when Kopech would have been fine if he didn't pitch until this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 It’s good to know about it before he is in the majors but I expect a TJ surgery in his near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Just now, Soxfest said: It’s becoming apparent Dunning can not be counted on. Yeah, and this is horrid timing for him personally as well. he's already 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Soxfest said: It’s becoming apparent Dunning can not be counted on. Injuries derailed a ton of prospects. Is there something other than this arm difficulty that has hit Dunning, some shoulder problem or something? Has he had TJS before? Because this just seems like a recurrence of what he was dealing with last year, where last year's time off just wasn't enough to heal the damage. Because the solution is TJS, and if that takes - it was one injury that they could have dealt with last year, decided to rehab rather than opting for surgery, and then were proven wrong. At least this one costs no service time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Yeah, and this is horrid timing for him personally as well. he's already 25. At least Dunning's MLB service time hasn't started yet. So while it sucks, it sucks a little less than Kopech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Yeah, and this is horrid timing for him personally as well. he's already 25. Turned 24 a couple months ago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) Need to get a veteran #2 starter next year, desperately. Can’t blame Herm Schneider anymore. Maybe the Nationals just knew a lot more about thei pitchers than we did? Will probably end up with Esteban Loiaza when he’s furloughed from prison...we’ll inevitably have to hear about the heartwarming human interest-related comeback story. Edited February 26, 2019 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, flavum said: Turned 24 a couple months ago really? I thought he was a year older than that. Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 See ya next year Dunning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Need to get a veteran #2 starter next year, desperately. Can’t blame Herm Schneider anymore. Maybe the Nationals just knew a lot more about thei pitchers than we did? Will probably end up with Esteban Loiaza when he’s furloughed from prison...we’ll inevitably have to hear about the heartwarming human interest-related comeback story. People were blaming Herm Schneider? That seems...dumb Edited February 26, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I always wonder what these guys are doing all winter if they get into camp and suddenly can't throw a baseball. Has to be considered that Dunning was hiding the extent of his discomfort last year and if the Sox were actively monitoring his activity and rehab this winter closely enough. Right now the data points just keep coming in that this org just isn't doing things the right way. And yes, we can use hindsight here. Why not? Looks like he should have had the surgery last fall. He'd already be throwing again like Kopech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Should have done so in the fall. This was totally predictable. No it's not predictable. Many pitchers can rehab a partial tear of the UCL. Unfortunately it doesn't look like it worked in this case. The repeated issues this soon after beginning of Spring isn't a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Somehow Paddy has a job for life despite only a single LatAm signing reaching AA under his watch (and not even with us unfortunately). He's had the job for like 3 years... ...most of the guys he's signing are 16-18 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, bmags said: Honestly I know ptatc is going to tell me I'm wrong but whenever we get the "oh its just a forearm strain, they'll rest and rehab through it" I get annoyed because it just delays the inevitable tjs and turns a 12 month recovery into a 18 month episode. I wouldnt totally disagree. The usual reason that a pitcher has a forearm strain is that there is something going on with the UCL. I would disagree that just because there is a forearm issue means they will eventually have surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m pretty sure I just expressed this exact concern like a week ago. But dumb question, is forearm discomfort the same as elbow pain? Is there reason to expect the worse here or could this be some lesser injury? Not always. However, in someone with a previous UCL history, it's a good bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 49 minutes ago, mqr said: I'm not sure if ever seen 'Forearm discomfort' not end in TJ at some point or another. Happens all the time. Sale hasn't had UCL surgery. He's been shut down for elbow issues at 3 times that I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Annnndddd the streak of absolutely terrible luck continues!! Yay for us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nokona said: He's had the job for like 3 years... ...most of the guys he's signing are 16-18 Um, unless 2011 was somehow three years ago you are completely wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, mqr said: People were blaming Herm Schneider? That seems...dumb It's not Schneider and the training staff, although they will have input. If you are looking at preventing injuries it's more the strength and conditioning group. Although with UCL issues it's more the pitching coaches and pitch selection. Then research shows the two most significant factors are more than 45% fastballs and having their release point further away from the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I always wonder what these guys are doing all winter if they get into camp and suddenly can't throw a baseball. Has to be considered that Dunning was hiding the extent of his discomfort last year and if the Sox were actively monitoring his activity and rehab this winter closely enough. Right now the data points just keep coming in that this org just isn't doing things the right way. And yes, we can use hindsight here. Why not? Looks like he should have had the surgery last fall. He'd already be throwing again like Kopech. Yes. The surgeons thought that the tear was small enough that rehab would work. There were positive reports in the Fall but obviously it doesn't look like it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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