mqr Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, hi8is said: Changes very little with this team for the next few years. It's still a very good move that also makes the next couple weeks/months much much less horrible? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Yes. As a fan this basically gives us an additional year of Eloy . Hopefully 8 years from now we will still be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, TomPickle said: Eloy playing in 1200 games seems less likely than surpassing 30 WAR Yeah that would be incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mqr said: I assume you didn't account for inflation both in the economy at large and in arbitration? That’s right. Based on $8M/war. Also doesn’t include substantial goodwill benefit. Edited March 20, 2019 by Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I also find it unlikely that the '21-'22 offseason doesn't swing this deal this deal more in the Sox favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Harper2Sox said: Doh, forgot about Moncada moving to 3B and Madrigal. RF could be a nice FA area. I have high hopes for Micker there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, mqr said: I really, really, really can't stand Garfien's optimism. His opinions will always be worthless. Optimism keeps media members in good graces with the Sox. Apparently they are always worried to not be in good standing with them. One thing a guy like Cowley never seemed to care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, shipps said: Optimism keeps media members in good graces with the Sox. Apparently they are always worried to not be in good standing with them. One thing a guy like Cowley never seemed to care about. Well those ones are basically employed by the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 http://global.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26316088/sources-chisox-jimenez-agree-record-deal Broke a new record, and got ESPN headline banner for first time since Machado on two occasions this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I have high hopes for Micker there. There is A LOT of potential in the OF in the next couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, mqr said: Well those ones are basically employed by the team. It’s not just them though. Even the guys like barstool Dave who was ready to riot at the Rate the day Machado signed with the Pads now sits and has a nice friendly conversation with Hahn and is all back on their side. It’s not just him though it’s everyone. Even Laurence Holmes plays nice. It’s fine, it’s their livelihood and they want to make sure they don’t jeopardize it by making enemies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: http://global.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26316088/sources-chisox-jimenez-agree-record-deal Broke a new record, and got ESPN headline banner for first time since Machado on two occasions this offseason. This honestly is something to recognize and celebrate to a certain degree. As terrible as the Sox were this offseason in being able to land a premium FA talent, they did just set the record for a rookie contract. It doesn't absolve them for their massive fumble, but I honestly never thought we'd see this with the current ownership/FO group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Now an injury cover would make sense. Just should've read this from Friday at 5:09 PM. On 3/15/2019 at 5:09 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: He could still be called up before the season starts technically without burning an option couldn't he ? Who gets the mystery injury ? Palka with the hammy seems likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: There is A LOT of potential in the OF in the next couple of years. There's definitely still a path to contention, and I think a lot of people fail to see it through the clouds. It just got so, so much harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: There's definitely still a path to contention, and I think a lot of people fail to see it through the clouds. It just got so, so much harder. It is there, it just never was going to be nearly as quick as a lot of people had convinced themselves. Two years ago there were people talking about this team being our next playoff team. I don't know why, but a lot of people convinced themselves of a lot of unrealistic things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 So what do we think the odds are that Eloy still starts the season in the minors? Could he actually start in Charlotte, or is this talk of him starting in the minors a way to prove that they weren’t keeping him in the minors for the extra year of control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It is there, it just never was going to be nearly as quick as a lot of people had convinced themselves. Two years ago there were people talking about this team being our next playoff team. I don't know why, but a lot of people convinced themselves of a lot of unrealistic things. It wasn't unrealistic, just best case scenario. If Michael Kopech didn't get hurt, Moncada was a 1-2 wins better, and Giolito was a major leaguer last year the outlook is a lot different even without Machado. Instead we basically got absolute worst case scenario. Edited March 20, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, mqr said: It wasn't unrealistic, just best case scenario. If Michael Kopech didn't get hurt, Moncada was a 1-2 wins better, and Giolito was a major leaguer last year the outlook is a lot different even without Machado. Instead we basically got absolute worst case scenario. Needing everything to be a best case scenario is exactly the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Needing everything to be a best case scenario is exactly the point. But 2019 was always the 'If everything breaks right' year. Everything didn't break right and now it's a 'things better start breaking right' year. I really disagree that 2019 was totally unrealistic, and will view no contention in 2020 as something of a failure. Edited March 20, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, mqr said: But 2019 was always the 'If everything breaks right' year. Everything didn't break right and now it's a 'things better start breaking right' year. I really disagree that 2019 was totally unrealistic, and will view no contention in 2020 as something of a failure. The Cubs won 97 games and made it all the way to the NLCS during year 4 of their rebuild. Will the Sox even be a 500 team next year? How did the Cubs do it? Magic? Harry Potter Wizardry? Good ol fashioned New Orleans voodoo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: The Cubs won 97 games and made it all the way to the NLCS during year 4 of their rebuild. Will the Sox even be a 500 team next year? How did the Cubs do it? Magic? Harry Potter Wizardry? Good ol fashioned New Orleans voodoo? They were foolish enough to replace their front office that couldn’t produce a winner. Jokes on them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: This honestly is something to recognize and celebrate to a certain degree. As terrible as the Sox were this offseason in being able to land a premium FA talent, they did just set the record for a rookie contract. It doesn't absolve them for their massive fumble, but I honestly never thought we'd see this with the current ownership/FO group. I give them credit but they still suck. This makes the Machado situation worse as we would have been in a great spot to keep Moncado, Machado, Robert, and Eloy for 8 to 10 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: I give them credit but they still suck. This makes the Machado situation worse as we would have been in a great spot to keep Moncado, Machado, Robert, and Eloy for 8 to 10 years. Like I said before, it took them from an F to a D- 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I have high hopes for Micker there. Eh, we’ll see. He’s not even the prospect Jorge Soler once was and we see what happened there. Edited March 20, 2019 by Harper2Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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