LittleHurt05 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Maybe the Sox forsee big changes in the upcoming labor dispute, so they want to lock him up before it would get 2x more expensive if the control time is changed. But that's giving the Sox front office a little too much credit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 If he is a perennial MVP candidate this is fine. Seems like a big risk for a team that is so against risk. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: Maybe the Sox forsee big changes in the upcoming labor dispute, so they want to lock him up before it would get 2x more expensive if the control time is changed. But that's giving the Sox front office a little too much credit. I think this is right. The rumored deal doesn't make a whole lot of sense under the current system. This move would seem to be in anticipation of changes to the CBA that would lead to higher and more fair salaries for younger players/those with less MLB service time. Also, we know that the Sox love cost-certainty. Being able to lock in Eloy's salary for the next 8 years is probably very appealing to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamStance Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I understand that everyone is mad at the front office, and for valid reasons, but to be mad, or disagree with this potential extension is absolutely silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxa6 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I recall people being cautious about the Eaton deal when it was signed. 12 million a year isn’t very risky to a team that wasted 40 million this offseason on plugs. If it backfires, the rebuild will fail anyways. Just get him up here on opening day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said: I think this is right. The rumored deal doesn't make a whole lot of sense under the current system. This move would seem to be in anticipation of changes to the CBA that would lead to higher and more fair salaries for younger players/those with less MLB service time. Also, we know that the Sox love cost-certainty. Being able to lock in Eloy's salary for the next 8 years is probably very appealing to them. So far, they have been burned anticipating the "new" system. They traded Jack McDowell because of it, And also "traded" Ray Durham AND cash for Jon Adkins because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 This really has no benefit for the Sox, if the deal is $100M for through 2026 as reported (which it may not be). Basically, this buys them one extra year of control, and probably around $30-40M for that one year. In other words, that probably is at-the-money if Eloy is in fact still at an All Star level at that point. What is the value there? The whole point of signing an early extension is financial security for the player, and reduced cost inflation for the club. Eloy gets his security in this deal, but the Sox don't get any discount value. I am willing to be the deal is not these numbers, because no way the Sox would do this deal, no should they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmb35 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: I'm not looking to scare anybody but Eloy Jiminez 2019 Spring Training Stats: 26PA .154 BA 9 K's 0 BB Sox not developing players right. I'm assuming you're being facetious, but if not...face palm yourself. That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: I'm not looking to scare anybody but Eloy Jiminez 2019 Spring Training Stats: 26PA .154 BA 9 K's 0 BB Sox not developing players right. This is a worse take than your opinion on Pride Night I think. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 I read somewhere that Eloy turned down an extension last year. Glad they're gonna get something worked out. Looking forward to him being the Opening Day left fielder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: I'm not looking to scare anybody but Eloy Jiminez 2019 Spring Training Stats: 26PA .154 BA 9 K's 0 BB Sox not developing players right. Sarcasm? Troll job? No way you are serious here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Same guy who said Machado was going. Meh...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ptatc said: Payroll flexibility is a valid concern. The FO has no idea what the payroll will be in 5 years. If JR restricts the payroll to 120 can they field a competitive team with 25% going to a single 0layer? What isn't a valid comment is saying that they couldn't go to 300 million. Go to more years and it drops the AAV like Harper got. By my count, the White Sox spent $44ish million in new money this offseason if Santana makes the team. If I count Abreu as an "optional" player, which he is as we didn't have to offer him arbitration, that's $60 million in spending right there. If the VP is that worried about $50 million in player flexibility 8 years from now, then it is absolutely fair game to look at the moves made this offseason that spent $60 million and ask how they could have been done differently. Letting Kevan Smith walk and signing McCann is only $2 million, in the swing of things that isn't big, but if you're worried about flexibility 8 years down the road - that is your flexibility. People are annoyed that I'm whining about paying market (or slightly above market) rates for guys like Colome and Herrera. It was mildly annoying when they did it as it was unnecessary, but that spending should have received an immediate target on its back from everyone once Kenny and the White Sox repeatedly complained to the media about needing payroll flexibility to sign their next core. These 2 matters are related. This is a person complaining about how they can't pay rent every month as they walk down to Starbucks for two daily $5 coffees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, sox71 said: Same guy who said Machado was going. Meh...... Exactly. If it happens, great. But not expecting it to happen. I’ll take it as a good sign they’ve discussed something, and leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 8 hours ago, mqr said: Today in ‘Reddit is Bad’: this seems to be a prevailing take. Heavens to Betsy I just read that thread and damn you're right there were a lot of horrible takes there. I can't believe so many people are putting so much stock in 26 Spring Training plate appearances, such a stupid argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: Maybe the Sox forsee big changes in the upcoming labor dispute, so they want to lock him up before it would get 2x more expensive if the control time is changed. But that's giving the Sox front office a little too much credit. Good point. If the Sox think the years of control will drop from essentially 7 in this case to 4 or 5, it could be a big benefit to sign him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, OmarComing25 said: I just read that thread and damn you're right there were a lot of horrible takes there. I can't believe so many people are putting so much stock in 26 Spring Training plate appearances, such a stupid argument. Theses same dopes probably wanted Matt Davidson signed to the contract Eloy is rumored to be hooked with after opening day last year. It is amazing the hot takes people make out of spring training games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: By my count, the White Sox spent $44ish million in new money this offseason if Santana makes the team. If I count Abreu as an "optional" player, which he is as we didn't have to offer him arbitration, that's $60 million in spending right there. If the VP is that worried about $50 million in player flexibility 8 years from now, then it is absolutely fair game to look at the moves made this offseason that spent $60 million and ask how they could have been done differently. Letting Kevan Smith walk and signing McCann is only $2 million, in the swing of things that isn't big, but if you're worried about flexibility 8 years down the road - that is your flexibility. People are annoyed that I'm whining about paying market (or slightly above market) rates for guys like Colome and Herrera. It was mildly annoying when they did it as it was unnecessary, but that spending should have received an immediate target on its back from everyone once Kenny and the White Sox repeatedly complained to the media about needing payroll flexibility to sign their next core. These 2 matters are related. This is a person complaining about how they can't pay rent every month as they walk down to Starbucks for two daily $5 coffees. For the long term not 1-2 years. 45 million for a single year when they have an extremely low payroll is not an issue. 30 million for a single player years down the road could be a liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: For the long term not 1-2 years. 45 million for a single year when they have an extremely low payroll is not an issue. 30 million for a single player years down the road could be a liability. SMH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Personal attack, as usual. First of all, I have a wife and 4 year old son...and there is no such thing as a studio apartment in China. Did you work for two years in professional baseball? Do you have 2 Master’s degrees? Do you have a net worth of between $1.2 -$1.8 million? Have you travelled to 40+ countries, 47 US states, done AmeriCorps National Voluntary Service for two years, America’s Promise Fellow, Teach for America Fellow...worked directly with former H&R Block CEO Thomas Bloch and wife of Hallmark founder Adele Hall on hundreds of scholarships in Kansas City for national service in high school? Have you done a successful charity concert after 9/11 that raised thousands of dollars? Been the Program Director of a non profit agency for 4 1/2 years? Co-founded a non-profit led by a former NFL football player? Married a Russian model? Did 11 of your students this year get into Oxford and Cambridge, 1 to Duke, 11 to NYU, 8 to London School of Economics, 2 to University of Chicago, 1 to Carnegie Mellon, 1 to Johns Hopkins University, etc.? Have you ever coached high school volleyball, basketball and soccer (with players from 15 refugee/asylum nations)? Broken a wild horse in Colombia? Can you speak a foreign language? Here’s one you can never beat...have you ever had a Heisman Trophy winner save your car from rolling back into traffic after you left it in neutral accidentally? Have you ever gotten a free ticket left for you by a big league player and/or coach at will call? Do you personally know a former major league manager (Jeff Banister, Rangers and now Pirates again.) Have you ever done YMCA in the box seats with Gene Lamont? I think you are the one living in your mom’s basement. Yeah ok. Clearly he's the one with the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: SMH. I know, it a tough concept to grasp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: But this is just ONE year, not 2-3. And why wouldn’t they have been convinced to offer the same deal to Moncada as well? Simply because the $32 million in the bank made it unpalatable? Shouldnt they have considered that before acquiring Moncada and Robert, that they would be much less desperate to extend with a life-altering deal of guaranteed extension dollars? I promise you the Sox approached him with a deal like this. If he didn't sign it, it is because he doesn't want to give up that potential money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: If the Sox wait for him to "prove himself", it likely costs a hell of a lot more $$ Bingo. And if you break it down by year, it could save the Sox a ton of money too if he hits like the Sox think he is going to hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: I know, it a tough concept to grasp. The idea that $30 million in 8 years will be greater or more difficult to afford than $50 million today is nonsensical, you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Harper2Sox said: So risk $100 million guaranteed for one extra year of control? How does that make sense? It won't all be guaranteed. The end will be options, just like every single other deal like this that has gotten done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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