Ozzie embarasses his pitcher

[TLAK]

During last night's rout, I think it was Pavano who lost his grip on a pitch and it sailed into the Marlins dugout. A couple pitches later Ozzie Guillen is shown on national television in the dugout holding up a glove during the pitchers wind up.

 

The pitcher had to be embarrassed enough without his own coach mocking him. Perhaps Ozzie was trying to keep things loose on the bench but it was a lack of respect for the feelings of his own player. If I were the pitcher, I would never forgive Ozzie and never want to play for him.

 

With his team getting bombed, at a time leadership is needed, Ozzie turns into a adolescent prankster. No clown who pulls a stunt like this should ever manage.

[YASNY]

During last night's rout, I think it was Pavano who lost his grip on a pitch and it sailed into the Marlins dugout.  A couple pitches later Ozzie Guillen is shown on national television in the dugout holding up a glove during the pitchers wind up.

 

The pitcher had to be embarrassed enough without his own coach mocking him.  Perhaps Ozzie was trying to keep things loose on the bench but it was a lack of respect for the feelings of his own player.  If I were the pitcher, I would never forgive Ozzie and never want to play for him. 

 

With his team getting bombed, at a time leadership is needed, Ozzie turns into a adolescent  prankster. No clown who pulls a stunt like this should ever manage.

I think you are way off base on this. Those guys know Ozzie before and I'm sure Pavano did not take that as an attempt by Guillen to belittle him. Ozzie's always been a cut up and tried to keep people laughing.

[Rex Hudler]

During last night's rout, I think it was Pavano who lost his grip on a pitch and it sailed into the Marlins dugout.  A couple pitches later Ozzie Guillen is shown on national television in the dugout holding up a glove during the pitchers wind up.

 

The pitcher had to be embarrassed enough without his own coach mocking him.  Perhaps Ozzie was trying to keep things loose on the bench but it was a lack of respect for the feelings of his own player.  If I were the pitcher, I would never forgive Ozzie and never want to play for him. 

 

With his team getting bombed, at a time leadership is needed, Ozzie turns into a adolescent  prankster. No clown who pulls a stunt like this should ever manage.

I think you are way off base on this. Those guys know Ozzie before and I'm sure Pavano did not take that as an attempt by Guillen to belittle him. Ozzie's always been a cut up and tried to keep people laughing.

It was Tejera, not Pavano and it all looked like it was good-natured fun. Guys make fun of each other daily, that's the way things are in a clubhouse. In my mind, when you are losing 12-2, if a team can stay loose, that is a good sign.

 

I wouldn't think twice about it, nor do I believe Tejera will, with the exception of other possible jokes thrown his way inside the clubhouse. It was one pitch that slipped. No big deal.

[RibbieRubarb]

Ozzie was always keeping the clubhouse loose.

Thats why players love him.

 

I remember everytime he's get on first and the 1st baseman ( no matter who it was) would play in front of him and not hold him on, Ozzie would start slapping his ass befor every pitch.

 

I like the idea of Cito Gaston coming in to manage and Ozzie coming in to coach Third.

[elrockinMT]

You have to have fun in life, work and baseball. Ozzie was just having fun and I bet the whole Marlin's team, including Pavano, thought it was funny too. Don't take yourself or things so seriously that you lose your sense of humor.

[CubKilla]

Don't take yourself or things so seriously that you lose your sense of humor.

Especially when you're getting your ass whipped in a NLCS game. Someone had to keep the dugout loose after a game like that and remind the young Marlins that they had already accomplished what they had too regardless of the outcome of that game. Doesn't matter if you lose by 1-run or 20-runs. It only counts as one loss and the Marlins took home-field advantage from the Cubs in Game 1.

 

Keep it loose and move onto Game 3 in Florida.

[elrockinMT]

By the way TLAK I love your El Senor (Al Lopez) pic. He is the manager we need.

[Texsox]

What game the season ended weeks ago

[TLAK]

Rex, thanks for the correction on Tejera, we were harrassing a bar maid into switching back and forth between the Marlins, Red Sox and BlackHawks so it was hard to stay with the thread on any one of them.

 

As to Ozzie clowning with the players, I've trained workers moving up from the ranks into supervision and the first (usually the hardest) lesson is that you are not one of the boys anymore. No one will treat you as the boss unless you act like the boss, the representative of management. If you try to stay one of the guys your charges will not take you seriously, they will pick and choose when they want to listen and you will fail.

 

A good boss creates an environment where each team member feels important and respected. Mocking one of your employee's in front his peers, not to mention on national television, is not acceptable. I've screwed up in presentations in front of people (nothing remotely like last night's stage) and let me tell you, you keep up a brave face but feel like crawling under a rock. If my boss added to it by making fun of me in front of all those people I'd probably walk out on him.

 

If Ozzie was a lead person for me, I'd have a long, one sided talk with him and demand he appologize to the player.

 

I think a prospective manager should exhibit some management skills.

[Rex Hudler]

Rex, thanks for the correction on Tejera, we were harrassing a bar maid into switching back and forth between the Marlins, Red Sox and BlackHawks so it was hard to stay with the thread on any one of them.

 

As to Ozzie clowning with the players, I've trained workers moving up from the ranks into supervision and the first (usually the hardest) lesson is that you are not one of the boys anymore.  No one will treat you as the boss unless you act like the boss, the representative of management.  If you try to stay one of the guys your charges will not take you seriously, they will pick and choose when they want to listen and you will fail.

 

A good boss creates an environment where each team member feels important and respected.  Mocking one of your employee's in front his peers, not to mention on national television, is not acceptable.  I've screwed up in presentations in front of people  (nothing remotely like last night's stage) and let me tell you, you keep up a brave face but feel like crawling under a rock.  If my boss added to it by making fun of me in front of all those people I'd probably walk out on him.

 

If Ozzie was a lead person for me, I'd have a long, one sided talk with him and demand he appologize to the player.

 

I think a prospective manager should exhibit some management skills.

With all due respect, life in a locker room is no where near what it is like in the real world. Having played and been around baseball for a long time, I assure you that last night was a good laugh and was no big deal at all.

[TLAK]

Rex Hudler Posted on Oct 9 2003, 06:31 PM

 

With all due respect, life in a locker room is no where near what it is like in the real world. Having played and been around baseball for a long time, I assure you that last night was a good laugh and was no big deal at all.

 

I'll defer to your judgement and pipe down. But it's gonna take some convincing to sell me on Ozzie as manager.

[Chisoxfn]

I thought of it as a good thing. I think the last thing a team should be thinking about when down 12-2 is the game to a point. If you sit there and take a loss too hard your screwed.

 

To me Ozzie is exactly what the doctered ordered when it comes to the Sox. He has a great knowledge, is aggressive, will command the respect, but at the same time I see the players having fun. I could really see Ozzie have a Dusty Baker like effect as a manager (Minus the way Baker handles pitchcounts).

 

I think the biggest thing with Baker is the players respect him and listen to him, but he's also such a great guy that he keeps them lose and they really are friends with him too. Thats a fine line and very few people can pull that. I got a feeling Ozzie can.

[Soxfest]

Ozzie can stay in Florida ..........Forever

[YASNY]

Ozzie can stay in Florida ..........Forever

You're always such a breath of fresh air.

[YASNY]

I think Ozzie can have the same effect on the Sox as Tony Pena had on the Royals.

[elrockinMT]

I think Ozzie can have the same effect on the Sox as Tony Pena had on the Royals.

It's very possible. I just don't know enough about Cito Gaston to make a decision since it has been so long since he managed. I would rather see some young upstart like Guillen or Backman get a chance if we can't get Larussa.