southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Swingandalongonetoleft said: Obviously those two are top-shelf (don't think Machado would have cost a pick, which makes that sting even more), but I'd even be ok with something lower-tier. Prior to his extension, if Goldschmidt came at the cost of a pick next year, I'd be fine with that. This past offseason, Corbin, Grandal, Pollack come to mind. I think in my head I am good with guys you are projecting for plus production out of for 4 or more years before I am willing to give up a high pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I think in my head I am good with guys you are projecting for plus production out of for 4 or more years before I am willing to give up a high pick. If you could get Keuchel for 4/$40, how would you feel about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If you could get Keuchel for 4/$40, how would you feel about that? I don't think he will give plus production for 4 years, but that is also 5th starter money, so I think I would be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 4/60 is much more realistic to actual. the draft pick part is concerning though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: 4/60 is much more realistic to actual. the draft pick part is concerning though. Draft pick makes it not doable. He's going back to Houston on a 1 year deal imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 i think he has to basically. Boras really screwed him over if he thought 100 mil + was realistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 9:38 PM, Jack Parkman said: Draft pick makes it not doable. He's going back to Houston on a 1 year deal imo. Agreed. Where he will eventually extending during the season/resigning after for less than Cole will get (I have Cole pegged for the Yanks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 If the Sox aren't willing to spend actual money in free agency then they can't give up top 50 selections for marginal upgrades. It doesn't really make sense at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 If he was willing to sign at a price you’d feel good about, he would have already signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: If he was willing to sign at a price you’d feel good about, he would have already signed. 2019 is a total rebuilding season anyways, why bother signing Keuchel to a 2-3 year deal right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: If the Sox aren't willing to spend actual money in free agency then they can't give up top 50 selections for marginal upgrades. It doesn't really make sense at this point. 100% agree. We should not be forgoing a high 2nd round to pick to add an older free agent pitcher a year before they’re actually needed. 12 months from now could be a different story. Also, while the pitching market has no doubt taken a big hit with Sale & Verlander agreeing to extensions, there are still some interesting arms that should be available next offseason. Cole is definitely a pipedream at this point, but any of Bumgarner, Porcello, Wacha, Wheeler, & Wood could prove to be useful additions. Obviously I’d prefer a more impactful arm than those guys, but at the end of the day there aren’t a ton of consistent, high-end pitchers in the game right now. Adding a guy who can hopefully be a 3+ win pitcher may be good enough for what we need with Cease & Kopech entering the fold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, steveno89 said: 2019 is a total rebuilding season anyways, why bother signing Keuchel to a 2-3 year deal right now? I agree. But there’s always a price where it makes sense, if for nothing other than as a flip candidate. But his price obviously hasn’t gotten there. Edited March 25, 2019 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) MLBTR posted a poll asking when he (and Kimbrel) would sign. If he is out there past the draft (no longer have to give up compensation for him), would anyone here be ok with the Sox signing him? Personally, I think he's a better fit in the NL long-term, but if we're talking 4 years max, I might ok with it. Edited April 3, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: MLBTR posted a poll asking when he (and Kimbrel) when sign. If he is out there past the draft (no longer have to give up compensation for him), would anyone here be ok with the Sox signing him? Personally, I think he's a better fit in the NL long-term, but if we're talking 4 years max, I might ok with it. Couldn't hurt, prefer something shorter...doubt JR, Hahn, or KW consider it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Couldn't hurt, prefer something shorter...doubt JR, Hahn, or KW consider it though After the draft? Sure, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Man, the draft picks are killing Kimbrel and Keuchel. This is definitely getting addressed in the next CBA - right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Quin said: Man, the draft picks are killing Kimbrel and Keuchel. This is definitely getting addressed in the next CBA - right? Definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony said: It absolutely has to, it's not fair to FA's quite frankly. Can you get around that by offering him a minor league contract with a 12 million bonus for making the major league team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, zisk said: Can you get around that by offering him a minor league contract with a 12 million bonus for making the major league team? While hysterical, the Astros would probably file a grievance immediately. I think what needs to be done is remove the stupid competitive balance picks and just simply sandwich in compensation picks there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 1:10 PM, Joshua Strong said: Jackson. Yeah, that year that Jackson won his cy young was.... wait, he never did? Jackson is a ridiculous comp for Keuchel. On any level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony said: It absolutely has to, it's not fair to FA's quite frankly. I'm shocked it wasn't fixed last time, as it did the same thing. Is there a reason they can't give the team that loses a guy a pick without taking it from another team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Is draft pick compensation really the culprit here? At least with Kuechel, I wouldn’t be surprised if him & Boras simply priced themselves out of this market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Is draft pick compensation really the culprit here? At least with Kuechel, I wouldn’t be surprised if him & Boras simply priced themselves out of this market. Kimbrel as well, the reports were that he was looking for like 6/120 at the outset of the offseason. I bet that scared teams away, they went other avenues for their money and Kimbrel ended up hung out to dry. As for the draft pick compensation, even for Keuchel, when was the last 2nd round pick that made an impact for the Sox? Edit, looked it up. Bob Wickman was the last one, and Terry Forster was the other. Those are the only two. Ever. In the history of the White Sox drafting. Edited April 3, 2019 by turnin' two 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 10:52 AM, Jake said: If you want to compare a Sox signing of Keuchel to the Cubs pre-WS signings, would Keuchel be Edwin Jackson or Jon Lester? Somewhere in the middle . Better track record than Jackson, not as good as Lester without the Lester upside since stuff is so different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Sign him. 4-5 year deal. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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