southsider2k5 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, frogsplash31 said: I wonder if they might try Covey in the rotation in Charlotte one more time. They should. Get him his innings, let him keep working as much as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I'd be okay with them trying him as SP again for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: I'd be okay with them trying him as SP again for sure. Certainly has more potential than Donn Roach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Scoots said: Seems like they have short leashes for player performance this year. Who gets the boot for Santana then? Ruiz? Banuelos? Frare? Ruiz. And then Santana gets replaced by Keuchel. Edited April 4, 2019 by EloyJenkins 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Scoots said: Seems like they have short leashes for player performance this year. Who gets the boot for Santana then? Ruiz? Banuelos? Frare? Jones with a phantom injury that lasts the entire season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Jones with a phantom injury that lasts the entire season. Why would Nate Jones being willing to jeopardize his career with a fake injury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Why would Nate Jones being willing to jeopardize his career with a fake injury? He wouldn't, but it's either that or DFA. He's done if he can't regain some velo. He's going to go on the IL with some injury and try to get some back and if he doesn't it is DFA time. Edited April 4, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: He wouldn't, but it's either that or DFA. He's done. Then your post makes no sense. He isn't going to sit on the DL for a year with no injury. If they Sox want to dump him, he will take his money and leave, not pretend to be hurt. If he spends the entire year "hurt", he is going to be even less able to find his next contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Then your post makes no sense. He isn't going to sit on the DL for a year with no injury. If they Sox want to dump him, he will take his money and leave, not pretend to be hurt. If he spends the entire year "hurt", he is going to be even less able to find his next contract. He's going to go on the IL to try to find it in Charlotte. If he doesn't find it, he'll take his money and leave. That is what I meant. Poor explanation of what I meant the first time. The Sox need to find a 3rd and 4th reliable bullpen guy, and Jones has lost too much to be one of them currently. Try Fry, Ruiz and Burr, and see what happens. If not them, next man up. Hamilton would be next on the list, followed by Bummer. Obviously we know Minaya and Covey aren't MLB pitchers. Edited April 4, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I wouldn’t be so quick to check off Covey. The kid was a Rule V pick out if AA. He had a learning curve the first year and seemed better last year. The choice to go down was between the veteran Jones and a player with options. Ruiz can throw 100 MPH and did good in Spring Training. I would be questioning who makes roster decisions out of Arizona and not be so quick to write off young players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba phillips Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Strange story, this one about the one they call Dylan Covey. Last year, as of June 18, these were Covey's stats: 7 starts, 40 1/3 innings pitched, 16 walks, 35 K's and an ERA of 2.90. And then he turned to crap for the rest of the year and so far this year. What the hell happened? I know baseball is a game of adjustments. Many rookie hitters start off like a ball of fire. Then scouting reports over time reveal the batter's weaknesses. He then adjusts to the pitchers' adjustments or he doesn't. He becomes a star if he does, becomes mediocre or gets sent down to the minors if he doesn't. Pretty straightforward, I think. But what about pitching? Forty innings is a pretty good size sample (20-25% of a season for a starter). If Covey did that well, nice K to BB ratio, and an excellent ERA, what happened? Adjustments by pitchers usually go the other way: a guy has trouble early on in his career: control problems, pitch location, mental toughness when things go wrong, etc. Then, if he is successful, he figures it out. Many HOFers started out poorly before turning it around. Off the top of my head, Smoltz and Glavine here in Atlanta had less than stellar beginnings to their careers but they figured it out. I've never seen it go the other way as it has for Covey---to go from an ERA of 2.90 as a starter to out of MLB as a dreadful relief pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BackDoorBreach said: I'd be okay with them trying him as SP again for sure. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, oldsox said: Why? Because that has more value than a shitty relief pitcher. If he can figure it out, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: I didn't see that Hamilton was sent to AAA. Yea that "optioned him to Charlotte" part of the Merkin tweet was really hard to decipher. Luckily I'm part Navajo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yea that "optioned him to Charlotte" part of the Merkin tweet was really hard to decipher. Luckily I'm part Navajo. Just missed it somehow. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 19 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Not disagreeing, it was a terribly managed game. At least the Sox don’t see any value carrying Covey on the current roster construction. Agreed. They already have Banuelos who can work in a long-relief role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 16 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: Jones with a phantom injury that lasts the entire season. Nah just wait for him to get hurt and then place him on the IL. One of the most certain things in life is a Nate Jones injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 It's not like it really matters, but this doesn't make much sense. Covey faced 10 batters, 1 of whom he intentionally walked and another who reached on error. Of the other 8, he got 4 out. What about that run changes your mind about having him in the pen vs Jose Ruiz, who hasn't pitched since the end of ST? Again, this really isn't important, but I'm very confused about what kind of decisionmaking process leads to this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 16 hours ago, bubba phillips said: Strange story, this one about the one they call Dylan Covey. Last year, as of June 18, these were Covey's stats: 7 starts, 40 1/3 innings pitched, 16 walks, 35 K's and an ERA of 2.90. And then he turned to crap for the rest of the year and so far this year. What the hell happened? I know baseball is a game of adjustments. Many rookie hitters start off like a ball of fire. Then scouting reports over time reveal the batter's weaknesses. He then adjusts to the pitchers' adjustments or he doesn't. He becomes a star if he does, becomes mediocre or gets sent down to the minors if he doesn't. Pretty straightforward, I think. But what about pitching? Forty innings is a pretty good size sample (20-25% of a season for a starter). If Covey did that well, nice K to BB ratio, and an excellent ERA, what happened? Adjustments by pitchers usually go the other way: a guy has trouble early on in his career: control problems, pitch location, mental toughness when things go wrong, etc. Then, if he is successful, he figures it out. Many HOFers started out poorly before turning it around. Off the top of my head, Smoltz and Glavine here in Atlanta had less than stellar beginnings to their careers but they figured it out. I've never seen it go the other way as it has for Covey---to go from an ERA of 2.90 as a starter to out of MLB as a dreadful relief pitcher. Just my theory. One explanation is his minor league career. He pitched very little in AA and AAA. So when he surfaced in the majors there was probably very limited info on him. As he pitched in the majors teams must have found some weaknesses and he has not been able to make adjustments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Sacamano Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Aka: Keep him stretched out for a long relief role if they need him later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Covey isn’t good and neither is Renteria as a manager. These two facts shouldn’t surprise anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I assume he'll be taking Donn Roach's spot in the Charlotte rotation, who got shelled last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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