GradMc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: I believe this to be true. I'm not sure he ever gets another job. Best GM of the Reinsdorf era was Himes. Not even close. For all his other flaws, the guy recognized talent. Edited April 9, 2019 by GradMc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, GradMc said: Should be in legal at a Fortune 500 company. Don't even get me started on this out legal organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: If that was the case, unlike Gar who probably couldn't get another NBA job unless it was guarding the locker room door, Hahn has at least had other opportunities to pursue, which he passed. So if KW rules and he is just a yes man, he deserves all the criticism anyway. I can't imagine any other major league sports organization trusting their future to the likes of Kenny-Hahn or Gar-Pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If three seasons in with capital like Sale, Q, and Eaton to trade, the Sox are still losing 100 games, it is a big deal. It shows the guys in charge have no clue. This wasn't starting from scratch. They started on second base. There is no perfect blueprint for completing a rebuild. The Sox have had a ton of injuries and under performance from key guys. This is a slow burn rebuild. Remember that Houston lost 100 games for 3 years straight. This will year 2 of the Sox 100 loss seasons. This year and next are gonna be very very ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If three seasons in with capital like Sale, Q, and Eaton to trade, the Sox are still losing 100 games, it is a big deal. It shows the guys in charge have no clue. This wasn't starting from scratch. They started on second base. I'm getting sick of making this point. I don't think I could handle another year of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Chris Davis wants to hit against Santana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: There is no perfect blueprint for completing a rebuild. The Sox have had a ton of injuries and under performance from key guys. This is a slow burn rebuild. Remember that Houston lost 100 games for 3 years straight. This will year 2 of the Sox 100 loss seasons. This year and next are gonna be very very ugly. Then they failed at trading the guys they did. Simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, fathom said: Also, they absolutely should be putting Colome and Herrera on the market. With so many contending teams having huge reliever issues, now is the time to maximize their value. St.Theo would trade for them in a heartbeat. Do the Cubs have anything we want - other than an owner who doesn't care about spending some bucks? Edited April 9, 2019 by GradMc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: To be fair, he is the Gar to Kenny's Paxon, and i have a minor feeling that KW makes most of the decisions. It just feels like the organizational structure is the same as the Bulls. And here it is. KW evil incarnate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: I just don't understand the point of jumping off of a bridge 10 games into a season. I'm thrilled that Moncada is making progress, Anderson is raking, Eloy is apparently not a bust, Abreu is as solid as ever. That's all I want from the lineup anyway - who cares if placeholders like Palka, Engel, and Yolmer can't hit? I don't. They gone. Yes, our pitching staff largely appears to be a dumpster fire, but I think Rodon had a bad start yesterday and will round into form and we saw some flashes that Giolito is potentially making progress. We also KNEW our pitching staff was largely gonna be a dumpster fire this year. 1. A whole lot of people talked themselves into the notion that this team was ready to make a giant leap this season, and could have competed with the major addition we talked about. Those people are now being hit with the idea that the pitching staff isn't anywhere near making the leap they hoped it would, and that the guys they hoped could be valuable stop-gaps (including Santana) aren't doing that. So I think you're getting reactions from those people. 2. The White Sox spent $44 million in new money this offseason and it seems to have made no difference. That's also frustrating, there was a pretty large expenditure over the offseason and had they not spent that money, you could have written that exact same post without changing a word. So, what was the point of all those moves? Are we ok with just lighting that money on fire? They literally cried poor this offseason. That continues to be a source of frustration. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Does this help you post better? If so, you should look into this. I post fine, What are you insituating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 The Rays are a cheap-ass outfit. They’re spending $28M less than the Sox on payroll this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I would like to see Banuelos get the opportunity to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, Baker said: The Rays are a cheap-ass outfit. They’re spending $28M less than the Sox on payroll this year They have massive structural disadvantages and yet still produce a competitive team more often than not. Wish I was a rays fan honestly. Tired of the Sox' BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, ptatc said: And here it is. KW evil incarnate. Kenny isn't evil incarnate. I know why he has a job. Fine. Keep him the fuck away from baseball ops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Kenny isn't evil incarnate. I know why he has a job. Fine. Keep him the fuck away from baseball ops. Kenny’s at least put together a few winning teams as GM Edited April 9, 2019 by mqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Kenny isn't evil incarnate. I know why he has a job. Fine. Keep him the fuck away from baseball ops. And you are positive that the bad deals are his and not Hahns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: And you are positive that the bad deals are his and not Hahns. No, I'm not. The issue is the intentional organizational structure that makes it nearly impossible to point the finger at someone. I choose to point the finger at both. There are some deals that have Kenny's fingerprints on them. I believe Tatis/Shields is one of them. Most of this is on Hahn but there are a few that are on KW. I think the Sale deal was Kenny. Eaton and Quintana were Hahn. Edited April 9, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, OneDog847 said: It ain't stopping anytime soon unfortunately. There is still plenty of tank left in the engine. 100 losses again this year is very very likely. "Plenty of Tank left in the Engine' Brilliantly sums up the state of this Organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: 1. A whole lot of people talked themselves into the notion that this team was ready to make a giant leap this season, and could have competed with the major addition we talked about. Those people are now being hit with the idea that the pitching staff isn't anywhere near making the leap they hoped it would, and that the guys they hoped could be valuable stop-gaps (including Santana) aren't doing that. So I think you're getting reactions from those people. 2. The White Sox spent $44 million in new money this offseason and it seems to have made no difference. That's also frustrating, there was a pretty large expenditure over the offseason and had they not spent that money, you could have written that exact same post without changing a word. So, what was the point of all those moves? Are we ok with just lighting that money on fire? They literally cried poor this offseason. That continues to be a source of frustration. Plugging Machado in the middle of this lineup, considering Moncada/Eloy/Anderson/Abreu, and subtracting a hole would have meant we might be 4-6 or 5-5 right now instead of 3-7. That feels a lot different to me because 5-5 feels like 85 wins isn't out of reach. 3-7 with this pitching as it is - our lineup as constructed just can't catch up unless we stop having three black holes. Also, are we blaming things like Kopech's injury on Hahn's ability to rebuild? What about Carlos Rodon's loss of command/velocity? Is that also Hahn's fault? What about Giolito's or Lopez's issues in taking the next step? All of these assets were universally lauded as great pieces. There really wasn't anyone who wasn't high on these players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: No, I'm not. The issue is the intentional organizational structure that makes it nearly impossible to point the finger at someone. I choose to point the finger at both. That's not what you said you said you had and a feeling KW makes most of the decisions and that's why they are bad. That's a long way from saying you blame them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I guess my perspective is that I would be much more worried if Moncada was 4-35 with 13 Ks right now and Eloy wasn't hitting, but the team was somehow 6-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jake said: I'm not too sure what we have here in Banuelos. Will be interesting to see if he's on the team come September. Come May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, ptatc said: That's not what you said you said you had and a feeling KW makes most of the decisions and that's why they are bad. That's a long way from saying you blame them both. I didn't say that. I said it wasn't outside the realms of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Also, we hit a buzzsaw with this homestand with literally the two hottest teams in the American League AND last year's Cy Young winner. We were gonna be 2-4 / 1-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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