Chisoxfn Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Keuchel wasn't signing with the Sox. He wanted to go to a contender where he'll have eyes on him and a better opportunity to parlay his performance into the contract he wants. He very much could still be an option for the Sox next year though. I get complaining but the Sox not getting Keuchel is nothing to really get that upset about, imo. If they don't spend this off-season, than people have every right to be truly ticked. Last off-season I get the frustration given the expectations...but the team was still a year away. With the progress they've made thus far this season, the timeline requires them to make a big investment this off-season because the team has flashed enough to indicate it is ready. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Keuchel wasn't signing with the Sox. He wanted to go to a contender where he'll have eyes on him and a better opportunity to parlay his performance into the contract he wants. He very much could still be an option for the Sox next year though. I get complaining but the Sox not getting Keuchel is nothing to really get that upset about, imo. If they don't spend this off-season, than people have every right to be truly ticked. Last off-season I get the frustration given the expectations...but the team was still a year away. With the progress they've made thus far this season, the timeline requires them to make a big investment this off-season because the team has flashed enough to indicate it is ready. https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-mlb-free-agents-c302403844 Which of these guys could we be serious suitors for? Cole will have a strong market if healthy that I'm not sure we touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Keuchel wasn't signing with the Sox. He wanted to go to a contender where he'll have eyes on him and a better opportunity to parlay his performance into the contract he wants. He very much could still be an option for the Sox next year though. I get complaining but the Sox not getting Keuchel is nothing to really get that upset about, imo. If they don't spend this off-season, than people have every right to be truly ticked. Last off-season I get the frustration given the expectations...but the team was still a year away. With the progress they've made thus far this season, the timeline requires them to make a big investment this off-season because the team has flashed enough to indicate it is ready. I would agree. The issue will be can they find what they need. LF: Jimenez CF: Robert soon RF: ? 3B: Moncada SS: Anderson 2B: Madrigal soon 1B: Abreu? C McCann/Collins SP: Giolito, Cease, Kopech, To me it looks like an OF, possibly 1B and a starting pitcher are the options for a big FA. There could be smaller ones in the BP but I'm not a big fan of spending big money on a BP as they really vary from year to year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: I would agree. The issue will be can they find what they need. LF: Jimenez CF: Robert soon RF: ? 3B: Moncada SS: Anderson 2B: Madrigal soon 1B: Abreu? C McCann/Collins SP: Giolito, Cease, Kopech, To me it looks like an OF, possibly 1B and a starting pitcher are the options for a big FA. There could be smaller ones in the BP but I'm not a big fan of spending big money on a BP as they really vary from year to year. Ozuna makes a ton of sense as a FA target for RF. He shouldn't be crazy expensive, but would be a solid starter for us to round out the lineup. We certainly could use a starting pitcher and pen help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, steveno89 said: https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-mlb-free-agents-c302403844 Which of these guys could we be serious suitors for? Cole will have a strong market if healthy that I'm not sure we touch. Good list. I think they need to look at Cole, Bumgarner and Ozuna. Although all are about 30 and they will regret the end of the contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 *whispers* I think signing Didi to man second base on a possibly reasonable deal due to his injury and age would be beneficial due to his power and veteran presence even though many would find it to be blocking madrigal, because I think it would truly provide us with the type of depth most good teams seem to have and I really like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, bmags said: *whispers* I think signing Didi to man second base on a possibly reasonable deal due to his injury and age would be beneficial due to his power and veteran presence even though many would find it to be blocking madrigal, because I think it would truly provide us with the type of depth most good teams seem to have and I really like him That would be a good one. The issue would be if he would sign knowing the Sox have a guy they want there in a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, bmags said: *whispers* I think signing Didi to man second base on a possibly reasonable deal due to his injury and age would be beneficial due to his power and veteran presence even though many would find it to be blocking madrigal, because I think it would truly provide us with the type of depth most good teams seem to have and I really like him I don't think the injury will matter if he has a great rest of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, bmags said: *whispers* I think signing Didi to man second base on a possibly reasonable deal due to his injury and age would be beneficial due to his power and veteran presence even though many would find it to be blocking madrigal, because I think it would truly provide us with the type of depth most good teams seem to have and I really like him I like this move a lot. I think you can go into 2020 with Yolmer or Tilson/Cordell in the lineup, and expect to be pretty competitive. I think you fill one of those holes, then go add pitching and we're in pretty good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I don't like saying his name anyway. Braves can have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 11 hours ago, ptatc said: I dont think you understand the concept of rebuild. the point is to be as bad as they can until they are ready to compete. this way they build up the best draft picks and hopefully the best players to sustain a longer period of winning. Signing Keuchel would get then a worse draft pick and still wouldn't get them any closer to a sustained period of winning. they aren't winning anything this year by design. next year or the after are about when the winning should start, 4 to 5 years into a rebuild. they've made some big mistakes such as not signing Harper or Machado but not signing Keuchel to a 1 year deal isn't one of them. That’s very debatable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Last time the Sox were in contention they went out and got guys like Thome, Dunn and Rios. Maybe not the best moves, but not the cheapest moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, mqr said: I like this move a lot. I think you can go into 2020 with Yolmer or Tilson/Cordell in the lineup, and expect to be pretty competitive. I think you fill one of those holes, then go add pitching and we're in pretty good shape. I think people need to stop thinking guys like Yolmer, Tilson and Cordell are viable members for a contending starting lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ptatc said: I would agree. The issue will be can they find what they need. LF: Jimenez CF: Robert soon RF: ? 3B: Moncada SS: Anderson 2B: Madrigal soon 1B: Abreu? C McCann/Collins SP: Giolito, Cease, Kopech, To me it looks like an OF, possibly 1B and a starting pitcher are the options for a big FA. There could be smaller ones in the BP but I'm not a big fan of spending big money on a BP as they really vary from year to year. I like this and I agree. Bullpens are so flukey. Only the top guys are worth going after. Colome, Abreu, and any money they have to spend should be going to find a RF bat, starting pitching, and perhaps even a catching prospect. McCann is no sure thing to repeat and Collins may not be able to handle the load behind the plate. Edited June 7, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, TaylorStSox said: Last time the Sox were in contention they went out and got guys like Thome, Dunn and Rios. Maybe not the best moves, but not the cheapest moves. Good point but Thome was still a good move and honestly Rios was just money and had a couple good seasons. Dunn apparently forgot to hit once he came to the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: I think people need to stop thinking guys like Yolmer, Tilson and Cordell are viable members for a contending starting lineup. Not starters but solid backups/depth on a contending team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, Moan4Yoan said: Good point but Thome was still a good move and honestly Rios was just money and had a couple good seasons. Dunn apparently forgot to hit once he came to the AL. Thome was a great move. Rowand was in the Adam Eaton school of "overrated as fuck." Rios was really risky and Dunn's health caught up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, fathom said: I think people need to stop thinking guys like Yolmer, Tilson and Cordell are viable members for a contending starting lineup. Bench players only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I would have loved Keuchel for 2020-21. We're going to have more pitching holes than fingers to stick them in. I really don't see the downside to giving him whatever the hell he wants on a 3-4 year deal. Maybe he absolutely didn't want to do that, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: I think people need to stop thinking guys like Yolmer, Tilson and Cordell are viable members for a contending starting lineup. I know they're not. But I think you can get by with one obvious hole for a year or until the deadline. The first order of business is pitching. Then fill one of those holes, if you can fill both, great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: I know they're not. But I think you can get by with one obvious hole for a year or until the deadline. The first order of business is pitching. Then fill one of those holes, if you can fill both, great. You should easily be able to find an upgrade in RF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I know it has been said here before but I am in agreement that I think the Sox will go after Puig for RF. Not a move I particularly like but one I think they will go for...hopefully not more than a 3 year deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Thome was a great move. Rowand was in the Adam Eaton school of "overrated as fuck." Rios was really risky and Dunn's health caught up to him. Aaron rowand was really damn good in 04, 05 and 07. A lot like Eaton though, they moved on at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 minute ago, wegner said: I know it has been said here before but I am in agreement that I think the Sox will go after Puig for RF. Not a move I particularly like but one I think they will go for...hopefully not more than a 3 year deal I could definitely see that but after this season I’m not sure he finds more than a 2 year deal unless he turns things around in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, wegner said: I know it has been said here before but I am in agreement that I think the Sox will go after Puig for RF. Not a move I particularly like but one I think they will go for...hopefully not more than a 3 year deal I like the prospect of it just to go full on Heel Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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