bubba phillips Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: This is fairly typical around all organizations not something only the White Sox deal with. Yea, the Yankees just put their 17th guy on the IL today. In the case of the Sox, I'm sure Williams-Hahn will use the large number of injuries as an excuse to extend the 3-5 year rebuild to 3-8 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I'd be interested to know if Organizational health is actually noticeably different, or if we are just paying more attention to it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Can’t count Rodon as part of rebuild at this point he will be a FA when healthy. This organizations luck with injuries is beyond belief year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Tendering Rodon a contract would be a complete waste of money, but it would be a very White Sox thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 minute ago, bubba phillips said: Yea, the Yankees just put their 17th guy on the IL today. In the case of the Sox, I'm sure Williams-Hahn will use the large number of injuries as an excuse to extend the 3-5 year rebuild to 3-8 years. There is no 8 years. That would be a new rebuild at that point. They know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 They don't care what anyone wants to call it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Stick him in the bullpen when he comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 It sucks from a value perspective, but I personally never really considered him part of the rebuild. We were never going to extend him, but I hoped he'd retain trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 This makes sense. Rodon wants to be healthy for next contract, which will undoubtedly be with another team. Rebuild = not going as planned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, mqr said: I'd be surprised if we ever seen him in black and white again I agree. I think he’s thrown his last pitch in a Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) I think there is any way the Sox don't tender Rodon during this. They have a bottom 5 payroll for the foreseable future and probably still hold out hope Rodon becomes something useful for them (unlikely IMO) Edited May 13, 2019 by TheTruth05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) No. 3 pick in the 2014 Draft. OK the rebuild fanatics are safe here. We weren't exactly tanking yet when we took him No. 3 overall so he doesn't count as a flop in the rebuild era, just a bit before. But it still is a horsebleep draft pick in hindsight. Somebody should pay for what turned out to be the wrong pick. That said, injury wise, I wish him the best. He had some good outings and I wish him well in his recovery and comeback. Edited May 13, 2019 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Special K said: This makes sense. Rodon wants to be healthy for next contract, which will undoubtedly be with another team. Rebuild = not going as planned. Rodon was never a key to this. I'd also argue that attrition is part of the plan anyway, at least it had better be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, greg775 said: No. 3 pick in the 2014 Draft. OK the rebuild fanatics are safe here. We weren't exactly tanking yet when we took him No. 3 overall so he doesn't count as a flop in the rebuild era, just a bit before. But it still is a horsebleep draft pick in hindsight. Somebody should pay for what turned out to be the wrong pick. That said, injury wise, I wish him the best. He had some good outings and I wish him well in his recovery and comeback. It was considered a minor miracle that he was available at 3. Injuries happen. Sucks it didn't work out but out of all the picks to complain about, this isn't really one. I can't really fault any team for not being to predict pitching injuries, because if any one could, they'd be the single richest person in baseball. Edited May 13, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, mqr said: Rodon was never a key to this. I'd also argue that attrition is part of the plan anyway, at least it had better be. Hopefully next year will be Giolito, Lopez, Cease, Kopech, and Lambert...and none of them get hurt. Ha, yeah right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: They continue to go down left and right. Still wondering if the Sox have even considered the idea of having some independent outside people come in from the medical and physical therapy areas to evaluate the Sox entire medical / training and conditioning staffs and procedures. ligaments are a tricky thing. they aren't really part of a training program as you cant strengthen them much. they are usually injured in one time incidences such as sprained ankles or ACL tears. the UCL tears are typically linked to 2 factors. 1. throwing too many fastballs at near max. 2. having an arm angle below 3/4. there are others but those are the primary ones. The Sox organization is a title different where they dont really teach mechanics and allow the pitchers to do what they want until there are issues ala Chris Sale. They preach more if staying balanced and try not to overthrow. This is some of the reasons for Cooper sacrificing velocity for more movement. With Kopech it was the velocity issue and possibly being too strong and overcoming the ligament strength. With Rodon I think it's more the arm angle and the dumb fellow though I've commented on since he was drafted. Jones has the upright follow through similar to Rondon. He also really short arms the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: This is fairly typical around all organizations not something only the White Sox deal with. I understand that but what would it hurt given what is at stake? Maybe something is being missed, maybe there is something new out there conditioning wise for example that isn't known by the Sox. Seems like cheap insurance to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I understand that but what would it hurt given what is at stake? Maybe something is being missed, maybe there is something new out there conditioning wise for example that isn't known by the Sox. Seems like cheap insurance to me. they do. all of the sports med guys go to the same yearly conferences. there is even one specifically for baseball. they all get the same journals. just depends on how they implement it. typically it's the older guys who dont like change like in any business The Sox group is fairly young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Any chance the 50 sliders in one game and the dramatic jump in its usage this year played a part in this......?? Or was he using it more bc the fastball was lost and the slider was just masking the injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moncada said: Any chance the 50 sliders in one game and the dramatic jump in its usage this year played a part in this......?? Or was he using it more bc the fastball was lost and the slider was just masking the injury I would say both have a fairly good chance to be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Just could never stay healthy. I'm not a huge Rodon guy but he had some good flashes. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, justBLAZE said: Also worth noting: Nate Jones had surgery on tear in flexor mass, also out for season. I think Jones is done as a player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrown54 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 On the plus side, Kenny has his house up for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I'll drop my usual pessimism for a second to note that, while I think Rodon is finished with us, we got more production out of him than the two other guys taken at the top of that draft. In A ball, Brady Aiken has gotten two outs this year, but walked six, and it's not a short season sample, because he walked 101 in 132 IP last year. Tyler Kolek is a 22 year old struggling in rookie ball, or at least, he was last year. Aaron Nola would like nice right now, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JoshPR said: I think Jones is done as a player You would think. Probably will break camp with the team anyway. He makes Adam Engel and Avi Garcia easy to get rid of Edited May 13, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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