KrankinSox Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BackDoorBreach said: Drew Waters from ATL could be nice. Thats who i was thinking. Switch hitting OF with 60 Arm and 60 field grades. OPS .859 at AA at age 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: Thats who i was thinking. Switch hitting OF with 60 Arm and 60 field grades. OPS .859 at AA at age 20. Definitely the most realistic suggestion mentioned as he is currently #63 on the MLB Top 100 list. However, his lack of HRs and his walk-to-strikeout rate scare me. But he’s only 20. Would be worth taking a chance on him for 1.5 years of Colome. Edited June 6, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, KrankinSox said: Thats who i was thinking. Switch hitting OF with 60 Arm and 60 field grades. OPS .859 at AA at age 20. And they are going to have a log jam in the OF with Waters being oddman out. Edited June 6, 2019 by BackDoorBreach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: It was also his first few months in the minors I believe but yes there were power questions. Still, it is not unreasonable that we could land someone in the 50-60 range for Colome. Lots of teams need pen help. I just remember KLaw going from saying Blake looked awesome in 2016 and then saying how awful he looked in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NotHahn said: Or Christian Pache Cool but I think that’s a little rich. The Braves are deep on pitching and I think Anderson, while highly rated and a very good prospect, is extendable for Atlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) I do think that the White Sox should ask for a haul for Colome or else whats the point of trading him? Colome is still under contract for next year and they White Sox clearly are trying to compete in 2020. You could then try to extend him if you don't have a viable replacement when his deal is up. If you look at the free agent class next year it leaves much to be desired on the relieving market which makes him even more valuable to any team and harder to replace for the White Sox. IMO, It should be a top 100 guy and a legit lottery ticket at the least. Edited June 6, 2019 by kwill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 7 hours ago, KrankinSox said: Thats who i was thinking. Switch hitting OF with 60 Arm and 60 field grades. OPS .859 at AA at age 20. Just the kind of return we need. For once we are in the drivers seat. Colome is a top grade closer and those come in limited supply. I hope that nothing lures RH into some team pulling a Bummer/Colome combo. I really want Bummer on the Sox for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 It's a good thing that the Cubs got Kimbrel from our perspective. It eliminates the team with the weakest prospects from the bidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 3 hours ago, poppysox said: Just the kind of return we need. For once we are in the drivers seat. Colome is a top grade closer and those come in limited supply. I hope that nothing lures RH into some team pulling a Bummer/Colome combo. I really want Bummer on the Sox for a long time. Just to stress, "Top grade closers" are currently not in a "limited supply" on this trade market. Here's ones that are possibly available depending on which teams sell, most of which have stats comparable to or better than Colome. Edwin Diaz Shane Greene Ken Giles Will Smith Greg Holland Some others who could get on the list if teams who are at the edge of competitive get antsy include Brad Hand, Felipe Vazquez, Raisel Iglesias, and if the Padres got a top offer Kirby Yates. I doubt any of those latter guys do get moved, but I think we'll see 4-5 closers get dealt this deadline since there's no reason for teams to hold those first few guys. If teams want guys with multiple years of control, single years of control cheaply, 1 arbitration year, long term deals, literally all of that could be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Just to stress, "Top grade closers" are currently not in a "limited supply" on this trade market. Here's ones that are possibly available depending on which teams sell, most of which have stats comparable to or better than Colome. Edwin Diaz Shane Greene Ken Giles Will Smith Greg Holland Some others who could get on the list if teams who are at the edge of competitive get antsy include Brad Hand, Felipe Vazquez, Raisel Iglesias, and if the Padres got a top offer Kirby Yates. I doubt any of those latter guys do get moved, but I think we'll see 4-5 closers get dealt this deadline since there's no reason for teams to hold those first few guys. If teams want guys with multiple years of control, single years of control cheaply, 1 arbitration year, long term deals, literally all of that could be available. The supply uncertainty and clear division leaders with the exception of nl central is what makes me believe few will jump gun. I think any playoff team is likely to view colome as a set-up guy (most playoff teams have very good bullpens) Boston and Milwaukee could be good fits as always. I don't think brice turang would be on the board but I'd be interested. For Boston, going after Tanner Houck and a guy like Gilberto Jimenez is acceptable return to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Texas I think a guy like Joe Palumbo is a good target for pitching depth, and hopefully could be pared with some of their bigger athletes, and maybe going after olseilves basabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: Cool but I think that’s a little rich. The Braves are deep on pitching and I think Anderson, while highly rated and a very good prospect, is extendable for Atlanta You think Pache is "a little rich" but Ian Anderson who is rated higher than Pache is good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 15 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: True, but his numbers still stunk and he had shown no power. It seemed he was ranked high mostly due to his draft position. And you think Pache has shown power? Truth is before this year Rutherford & Pache had pretty similar numbers. Only difference was Rutherford is 1 years older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) Colome might bring back a top 100 prospect, but top 50 is probably asking too much. Ideally, the Sox are able to bring back a left-handed, good defense, near-MLB-ready corner outfielder. Their internal options right now are poor (Leury seems like the default right now) and I'd rather not see the Sox spend their money on any of Castellanos, Puig, or Ozuna (all right-handed and poor outfielders to boot). Corey Ray seems like an interesting buy-low candidate. He's had a terrible 2019, but he's had a finger injury all season that has likely factored into that, and last year showed what he brings to the table -- 27 homeruns, 37 steals, 10% walk rate, and those other things I mentioned above (left handed, good outfield defense). The Sox could probably get another 2 prospects in a Ray deal as well, like Zack Brown and Drew Rasmussen. The Brewers will likely be seeking a late inning reliever at the deadline and Ray is expendable to them. Edited June 6, 2019 by Perfect Vision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, NotHahn said: And you think Pache has shown power? Truth is before this year Rutherford & Pache had pretty similar numbers. Only difference was Rutherford is 1 years older. Pache is one of the best defensive centerfield prospects in baseball. Rutherford is a likely left fielder. That's a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, NotHahn said: You think Pache is "a little rich" but Ian Anderson who is rated higher than Pache is good? Where is Ian Anderson rated higher than Pache? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Where is Ian Anderson rated higher than Pache? BA is really high on Anderson and really low on Pache, usually reversed by the others. BA is still very preferential to pitching while others have started to downgrade it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Where is Ian Anderson rated higher than Pache? http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=atl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Just now, NotHahn said: http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=atl Pache is #1 and Anderson is #3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: Colome might bring back a top 100 prospect, but top 50 is probably asking too much. Ideally, the Sox are able to bring back a left-handed, good defense, near-MLB-ready corner outfielder. Their internal options right now are poor (Leury seems like the default right now) and I'd rather not see the Sox spend their money on any of Castellanos, Puig, or Ozuna (all right-handed and poor outfielders to boot). Corey Ray seems like an interesting buy-low candidate. He's had a terrible 2019, but he's had a finger injury all season that has likely factored into that, and last year showed what he brings to the table -- 27 homeruns, 37 steals, 10% walk rate, and those other things I mentioned above (left handed, good outfield defense). The Sox could probably get another 2 prospects in a Ray deal as well, like Zack Brown and Drew Rasmussen. The Brewers will likely be seeking a late inning reliever at the deadline and Ray is expendable to them. If the White Sox are hoping to get a current top 100 prospect for Colome, especially with Kimbrel going for a relative pittance compared to his asking price and likely taking the Cubs out of the game, I think they end up holding Colome through the end of the season. There's just too many relievers who might be available to get that kind of return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, bmags said: Pache is one of the best defensive centerfield prospects in baseball. Rutherford is a likely left fielder. That's a huge difference. I guess I'm talking offensive numbers. Rutherford is a pretty good outfielder but doesn't compare to Pache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: If the White Sox are hoping to get a current top 100 prospect for Colome, especially with Kimbrel going for a relative pittance compared to his asking price and likely taking the Cubs out of the game, I think they end up holding Colome through the end of the season. There's just too many relievers who might be available to get that kind of return. We have to keep in mind that Kimbrel is coming off of a down year and has been used heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: Pache is #1 and Anderson is #3 Must have just updated today. Pache was at 33 and Anderson was 30 in the top 100 and 3 and 4 in Atlanta's system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Joshua Strong said: We have to keep in mind that Kimbrel is coming off of a down year and has been used heavily. If that was the only part of it, I'd say it was possible, but there are multiple relievers who are as good as or better than Colome available, some of whom are cheaper with more control. This isn't a sellers market unless you have a guy who is truly elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: If that was the only part of it, I'd say it was possible, but there are multiple relievers who are as good as or better than Colome available, some of whom are cheaper with more control. This isn't a sellers market unless you have a guy who is truly elite. Closer Injuries and performance can have a big affect between now and the trade deadline. The market can quickly become a sellers market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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