JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Since TB made him a closer back in 2016, Colome has a 91% save percentage (111/122) and an ERA under 3 while functioning as the team’s closer. Hard to find anyone with a better track record in save percentage and ERA, especially a team like the Braves that need a closer specifically (unless you trust Luke Jackson). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: WAR isn’t really a good stat towards relievers. They use the same criteria for everyone. WAR is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They use the same criteria for everyone. WAR is fair. Eh not really for relievers. Pitchers who toss more effective innings will have a higher WAR right? That typically doesn't seem to be closers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 It's not fair because it values pitchers who throw more effective innings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: It's not fair because it values pitchers who throw more effective innings? In the sense that middle relievers, long relievers, openers who throw in wins and losses are going to throw more than a closer who typically only throws one inning in save situations or when they haven't pitched in 3-4 games. Bigger sample of innings is what I'm saying. Edited June 16, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: It's not fair because it values pitchers who throw more effective innings? It's not fair because there are a lot of very good relievers who struggle in the 9th. The 9th has a mental aspect that WAR doesn't evaluate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Look at Colome's numbers. You know hes not 90th best reliever lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 And then there's the matchup angle. Managers can take advantage of matchups for most of their relievers (lefty-lefty, righty-righty, or good career numbers against particular batters) in a way they can't for starters and closers. Tends to skew the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: It's not fair because it values pitchers who throw more effective innings? When WAR actually accounts for leverage we can talk about it being an effective tool for evaluating relievers. Also, reliever usage is a decision made by the manager, so Ricky only using Colome in select situations doesn’t mean he’s not capable of throwing more inning and theoretically having a higher WAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said: Look at Colome's numbers. You know hes not 90th best reliever lol Good call because WAR doesn't look at the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Using WAR to compare all relievers to closers is ridiculous. Nate Jones at his peak was a 2 fWAR guy. Would you want him closing out games over a guy like Colome, who’s highest fWAR season as a reliever is 1.2? That’s a rhetorical question and is Exhibit A for why comparing middle relievers and setup guys to closers is misguided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Using WAR to compare all relievers to closers is ridiculous. Nate Jones at his peak was a 2 fWAR guy. Would you want him closing out games over a guy like Colome, who’s highest fWAR season as a reliever is 1.2? That’s a rhetorical question and is Exhibit A for why comparing middle relievers and setup guys to closers is misguided. Colome and Abreu are easy decisions. Either you get something good or you keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 of course you can't count on Sanchez for anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Hit into a double play no runs .now this joker can't throw a strike! I can't wait till yolmer is not on the sox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 That was a strike!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 oops sorry wrong topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) Look, we acquired Colome for Omar. Omar is having a fantastic season. At this point, Omar has probably been just as valuable to Seattle as Colome to the Sox. Now the Sox want youth for Colome. Yes, he's probably worth two Rutherford type players. The question is: Will those 2 Rutherford type players ever contribute to the big league Sox. Maybe. Probably 50/50. So go ahead and trade him for 2 young guys so the segment of our fanbase that loves prospects is satisfied. Fans like me have to concede he "might" bring 1-2 prospects that at least have a 50/50 chance or 40/60 of being big leaguers. That's worth the gamble to those who love rebuilds. Then in the offseason you look for the next closer type and continue the cycle. Edited June 16, 2019 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, greg775 said: Look, we acquired Colome for Omar. Omar is having a fantastic season. At this point, Omar has probably been just as valuable to Seattle as Colome to the Sox. Now the Sox want youth for Colome. Yes, he's probably worth two Rutherford type players. The question is: Will those 2 Rutherford type players ever contribute to the big league Sox. Maybe. Probably 50/50. So go ahead and trade him for 2 young guys so the segment of our fanbase that loves prospects is satisfied. Fans like me have to concede he "might" bring 1-2 prospects that at least have a 50/50 chance or 40/60 of being big leaguers. That's worth the gamble to those who love rebuilds. Then in the offseason you look for the next closer type and continue the cycle. Would you rather have Narvaez or Colome and McCann? Case closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBBrian13 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Is there any chance the Yankees would want Colome? You can never have enough bullpen arms in the postseason. Clearly a logjam in the OF for them. Any chance we could swing for Clint Frazier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 4 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Using WAR to compare all relievers to closers is ridiculous. Nate Jones at his peak was a 2 fWAR guy. Would you want him closing out games over a guy like Colome, who’s highest fWAR season as a reliever is 1.2? That’s a rhetorical question and is Exhibit A for why comparing middle relievers and setup guys to closers is misguided. When Jones was 100% healthy? Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan49 said: Would you rather have Narvaez or Colome and McCann? Case closed Narvaez. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, QBBrian13 said: Is there any chance the Yankees would want Colome? You can never have enough bullpen arms in the postseason. Clearly a logjam in the OF for them. Any chance we could swing for Clint Frazier? Q1: Yes Q2: No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Narvaez. Are you saying you would rather have narvaez over colome and mccann? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 minute ago, whitesoxbrad said: Are you saying you would rather have narvaez over colome and mccann? Yes. It's clear that somehow the person writing that thought it was obvious so they should see that some of us still see how "a solid catcher for the next 5 years" is a useful thing compared to a couple short termers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Yes. It's clear that somehow the person writing that thought it was obvious so they should see that some of us still see how "a solid catcher for the next 5 years" is a useful thing compared to a couple short termers. If you're assuming McCann is a short termer, sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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