Pedro

[Flash Tizzle]

This whole fued has only made Clemens and Pedro even better. They are mowing through the lineup now.

[Bmr31]

Pedro said that because of the s*** Garcia did at second base, with the slide on Walker and the s*** he talked on the way back to the dugout. Or did you not see that?

 

And if you think Roger wasn't throwing at Manny you are a dumber f*** than anyone.

 

You would like Roger Clemens.

The pitch Clemens threw to Manny was AT LEAST a foot away from him. Not even CLOSE. Jesus Chirst, take your blinders off you ignorant f***.

 

Fact of the matter is, is that Pedro started all of this because he threw directly at Garcia. Don't like your 2nd baseman getting run into? Then don't throw at Garcia's head. Simple as that.

LOL get a clue bro........

I'd say the same to you, but it's been proven by others that you're too dimwitted to think up anything that would make a fraction of sense.

You have a lot of anger within you dude. You may want to talk to someone about that.......attacking somone over whether a player threw at someone is pretty odd. Wait, I mean attacking two people over it lol

Yes, I'm showing an extreme amount of anger here.

 

I'm actually befuddled by how dumb some people can blow a simple incident out of context. It's quite obvious to see that your's and Spiff's thoughts about the Yankees are already predetermined, and that they can do no right. Remember, you were the one who was saying "f*** the yankees" when Garcia almost got drilled in the head.

I really have no preference who wins this game dude. I llike the yankees less, but part of me wants the yanks to win because theyll have a better chance to beat the team i truly hate, which is the Cubs. I dont like or hate either clemens or pedro. I just know both of those pitches had the same intention. The second player just knew he had been warned, and didnt make it as obvious. Pretty basic stuff.

[Spiff]

Yes, I'm showing an extreme amount of anger here.

 

I'm actually befuddled by how dumb some people can blow a simple incident out of context. It's quite obvious to see that your's and Spiff's thoughts about the Yankees are already predetermined, and that they can do no right. Remember, you were the one who was saying "f*** the yankees" when Garcia almost got drilled in the head.

Exactly, and nobody was pretending like Pedro didnt mean to hit Garcia. If Garcia's got a problem, which he did, he can throw down. Instead he talks like a b****. Manny was actually gonna do something about Clemens.

 

Let me reiterate, f*** the yankees.

[Flash Tizzle]

Fans are really going to be pissed off.......they stopped selling beer at Fenway. Accodring to Fox the feeling in the Yankees dugout is they're ready to rumble.

[aboz56]

From ESPN:

 

Martinez sidestepped him, grabbed him by the head with both hands and tossed him to the ground.

 

 

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Rex Hudler]

Here's the play by play from a completely objective point of view......

 

1. Garcia goes in hard and late to take out Walker. Could be considered cheap, I did not get that great a veiw of it on the replay.

 

2. Pedro plunks Garcia for doing the above. No big deal, that is part of baseball and it should have ended things. Granted, Pedro could have plunked him lower and not gone in so high, but whether you think it is or not, it is not that easy to be so precise with a pitch you aren't used to throwing, let alone a strike at the catcher.

 

3. Garcia, who should have shut and ran to 1B after getting hit, pops off. He continues to do so after he scores on the double play ball. Once again, all of this is over if Garcia understand why he got hit and gets over it. If the Yankees didn't feel it was deserved, then Roger would have retaliated. Nontheless, he should have shut the f*** up.

 

4. Garcia and Pedro's spat gets out of hand when benches start to empty and Posada starts going crazy, yelling at Pedro. From my viewpoint, I thought Pedro was telling Posada he would hit him in the head. Although somewhat understandable in the heat of an argument, this was way out of line. Pedro showed his ass here.

 

5. Ramirez leads off the next inning and Clemens buzzes a 0-2 (or 1-2) pitch about head high over the middle of the plate. Was Clemens trying to hit Manny? Hell No.... Was he likely trying to send a message?? Probably so....

 

6. Manny overreacts and starts jawing at Clemens as he walks toward the mound. Of course, benches clear and there is a lot of hugging and kissing going on between the teams. Manny was wrong here big time. Later in the inning Clemens buzzes even closer to Millar's head (yet still not that close) and Millar acts like it doesn't bother him at all, which is generally the most effective way to handle these situations.

 

7. In the bench clearing lovefest, 72-year old Don Zimmer charges Pedro, which may have been the dumbest part of this whole mess. Zimmer was going after Pedro and looks as if he is taking a swing at him. Pedro reacts naturally and steps back and pushes Zim aside. Being 72, Zim goes down like a rag doll. I don't fault Pedro here at all. He did what most anyone would do, considering everything going on, benches emptying, yelling, etc. He defended himself in a non-aggressive way.

 

There was obviously wrongdoings on both sides here. This situation escalated to the level it did for many reasons and could have been avoided several times. But it wasn't because no one knows how to handle these situations anymore. There are too many hotheads who want to fight when there is no reason to these days. I'll leave it at that.

 

This happens because of the stakes, the teams, the pitchers and a couple of idiots.

[aboz56]

LOL

[aboz56]

[aboz56]

[Rex Hudler]

I missed one thing......... McCarver was crowing loudly about how "terrible" it was that Pedro clocked Zim. Buck half-heartedly questioned that and asked to see the replay. After they ran the replay twice, McCarver shut up and didn't say another word for like 3 minutes. Personally, I'd prefer for him to have the balls and admit he overreacted as well and was wrong. Instead, he just sat silently.

[Bmr31]

Here's the play by play from a completely objective point of view......

 

1.  Garcia goes in hard and late to take out Walker.  Could be considered cheap, I did not get that great a veiw of it on the replay.

 

2.  Pedro plunks Garcia for doing the above.  No big deal, that is part of baseball and it should have ended things.  Granted, Pedro could have plunked him lower and not gone in so high, but whether you think it is or not, it is not that easy to be so precise with a pitch you aren't used to throwing, let alone a strike at the catcher.

 

3.  Garcia, who should have shut and ran to 1B after getting hit, pops off.  He continues to do so after he scores on the double play ball.  Once again, all of this is over if Garcia understand why he got hit and gets over it.  If the Yankees didn't feel it was deserved, then Roger would have retaliated.  Nontheless, he should have shut the f*** up. 

 

4.  Garcia and Pedro's spat gets out of hand when benches start to empty and Posada starts going crazy, yelling at Pedro.  From my viewpoint, I thought Pedro was telling Posada he would hit him in the head.  Although somewhat understandable in the heat of an argument, this was way out of line.  Pedro showed his ass here.

 

5.  Ramirez leads off the next inning and Clemens buzzes a 0-2 (or 1-2) pitch about head high over the middle of the plate.  Was Clemens trying to hit Manny?  Hell No....  Was he likely trying to send a message??  Probably so....

 

6.  Manny overreacts and starts jawing at Clemens as he walks toward the mound.  Of course, benches clear and there is a lot of hugging and kissing going on between the teams.  Manny was wrong here big time.  Later in the inning Clemens buzzes even closer to Millar's head (yet still not that close) and Millar acts like it doesn't bother him at all, which is generally the most effective way to handle these situations. 

 

7.  In the bench clearing lovefest, 72-year old Don Zimmer charges Pedro, which may have been the dumbest part of this whole mess.  Zimmer was going after Pedro and looks as if he is taking a swing at him.  Pedro reacts naturally and steps back and pushes Zim aside.  Being 72, Zim goes down like a rag doll.  I don't fault Pedro here at all.  He did what most anyone would do, considering everything going on, benches emptying, yelling, etc.  He defended himself in a non-aggressive way.

 

There was obviously wrongdoings on both sides here.  This situation escalated to the level it did for many reasons and could have been avoided several times.  But it wasn't because no one knows how to handle these situations anymore.  There are too many hotheads who want to fight when there is no reason to these days.  I'll leave it at that. 

 

This happens because of the stakes, the teams, the pitchers and a couple of idiots.

Yup. Thats about how I saw it....

[Bighurt52235]

I love Zimmer. That was very sad to see him on the ground.

 

 

And for the first time EVER, I totally agree with what BMR is saying. There's no way Clemens wasn't trying to come up and in on Manny. He wasn't trying to hit, but just send a message.

[SoxFanForever]

I don't think Clemens was trying to hit Manny. You can tell when he is going after someone. And if i was Manny I wouldn't start s*** with Clemens. I know he is 41 but it would probably turn into another Nolan Ryan/Robin incident lol. He may be old but he can still fight pretty well probably.

[aboz56]

I love Zimmer.    That was very sad to see him on the ground.     

 

 

    And for the first time EVER, I totally agree with what BMR is saying. There's no way Clemens wasn't trying to come up and in on Manny. He wasn't trying to hit, but just send a message.

It wasn't sad, he shouldn't have went after Martinez. He got what he deserved.

[aboz56]

Ligue's cousin jumps in the Yankee bullpen.

 

I'm sure Boston fans will be excused for running into the playing field, yet the White Sox will still be crucified for incidents at the Cell..

[SoxFanForever]

Lol it was a Boston grounds keeper.

[Flash Tizzle]

Ligue's cousin jumps in the Yankee bullpen.

 

I'm sure Boston fans will be excused for running into the playing field, yet the White Sox will still be crucified for incidents at the Cell..

Torre, "Garcia said that a fan jumped out of the stands into the bullpen."

 

Garcia was involved in the attack and said this.....but Fox believes he was part of the groundscrew. Which is really bulls*** because he wasnt even in a groundscrew uniform.

[Cerbaho-WG]

Here's the play by play from a completely objective point of view......

 

1.  Garcia goes in hard and late to take out Walker.  Could be considered cheap, I did not get that great a veiw of it on the replay.

 

2.  Pedro plunks Garcia for doing the above.  No big deal, that is part of baseball and it should have ended things.  Granted, Pedro could have plunked him lower and not gone in so high, but whether you think it is or not, it is not that easy to be so precise with a pitch you aren't used to throwing, let alone a strike at the catcher.

 

3.  Garcia, who should have shut and ran to 1B after getting hit, pops off.  He continues to do so after he scores on the double play ball.  Once again, all of this is over if Garcia understand why he got hit and gets over it.  If the Yankees didn't feel it was deserved, then Roger would have retaliated.  Nontheless, he should have shut the f*** up. 

 

4.  Garcia and Pedro's spat gets out of hand when benches start to empty and Posada starts going crazy, yelling at Pedro.  From my viewpoint, I thought Pedro was telling Posada he would hit him in the head.  Although somewhat understandable in the heat of an argument, this was way out of line.  Pedro showed his ass here.

 

5.  Ramirez leads off the next inning and Clemens buzzes a 0-2 (or 1-2) pitch about head high over the middle of the plate.  Was Clemens trying to hit Manny?  Hell No....  Was he likely trying to send a message??  Probably so....

 

6.  Manny overreacts and starts jawing at Clemens as he walks toward the mound.  Of course, benches clear and there is a lot of hugging and kissing going on between the teams.  Manny was wrong here big time.  Later in the inning Clemens buzzes even closer to Millar's head (yet still not that close) and Millar acts like it doesn't bother him at all, which is generally the most effective way to handle these situations. 

 

7.  In the bench clearing lovefest, 72-year old Don Zimmer charges Pedro, which may have been the dumbest part of this whole mess.  Zimmer was going after Pedro and looks as if he is taking a swing at him.  Pedro reacts naturally and steps back and pushes Zim aside.  Being 72, Zim goes down like a rag doll.  I don't fault Pedro here at all.  He did what most anyone would do, considering everything going on, benches emptying, yelling, etc.  He defended himself in a non-aggressive way.

 

There was obviously wrongdoings on both sides here.  This situation escalated to the level it did for many reasons and could have been avoided several times.  But it wasn't because no one knows how to handle these situations anymore.  There are too many hotheads who want to fight when there is no reason to these days.  I'll leave it at that. 

 

This happens because of the stakes, the teams, the pitchers and a couple of idiots.

Garcia got hit first, then he took a hard slide into 2nd base. So interchange 2 and 1, but you're story isn't right at all.

 

1) Hideki Matsui laces a first pitch changeup into the right field seats on a hop, scores a run. 3-2 Yanks.

 

2) Karim Garcia comes up and gets thrown at with Pedro's first pitch. To me it was intentional, and Garcia takes offense to it. Starts jawing at Pedro. Both benches warned.

 

3) Alfonso Soriano comes up and hits a DP groundball, man on 3rd scores. Garcia takes a very hard and late slide at Todd Walker. Pedro and Garcia exchange words, Pedro threatens to drill someone in the head. Zimmer becomes furious (will explain why later).

 

4) Clemens gets Ramirez to 1-2, throws a ball that is tailing hard inside. Misses Manny by about a foot, but Manny never sees where the ball is actually cought because he ducked away like the baby he is. He points at Clemens, and Clemens screams at him to "f*** off!" Benches clear, Zimmer takes a b-line to Pedro. Zimmer raises his left hand to hit Pedro, Pedro grabs Zimmer by the head and throws him to the ground.

 

Now, why Zimmer was so offended. Early in Zimmer's playing career, he was beaned in the head, and some horrible consequences. Zimmer was unconscious for two weeks, and could speak for six weeks after he awoke. No wonder he took such offense for someone threatening to bean his own ballplayers.

[Bmr31]

Here's the play by play from a completely objective point of view......

 

1.  Garcia goes in hard and late to take out Walker.  Could be considered cheap, I did not get that great a veiw of it on the replay.

 

2.  Pedro plunks Garcia for doing the above.  No big deal, that is part of baseball and it should have ended things.  Granted, Pedro could have plunked him lower and not gone in so high, but whether you think it is or not, it is not that easy to be so precise with a pitch you aren't used to throwing, let alone a strike at the catcher.

 

3.  Garcia, who should have shut and ran to 1B after getting hit, pops off.  He continues to do so after he scores on the double play ball.  Once again, all of this is over if Garcia understand why he got hit and gets over it.  If the Yankees didn't feel it was deserved, then Roger would have retaliated.  Nontheless, he should have shut the f*** up. 

 

4.  Garcia and Pedro's spat gets out of hand when benches start to empty and Posada starts going crazy, yelling at Pedro.  From my viewpoint, I thought Pedro was telling Posada he would hit him in the head.  Although somewhat understandable in the heat of an argument, this was way out of line.  Pedro showed his ass here.

 

5.  Ramirez leads off the next inning and Clemens buzzes a 0-2 (or 1-2) pitch about head high over the middle of the plate.  Was Clemens trying to hit Manny?  Hell No....  Was he likely trying to send a message??  Probably so....

 

6.  Manny overreacts and starts jawing at Clemens as he walks toward the mound.  Of course, benches clear and there is a lot of hugging and kissing going on between the teams.  Manny was wrong here big time.  Later in the inning Clemens buzzes even closer to Millar's head (yet still not that close) and Millar acts like it doesn't bother him at all, which is generally the most effective way to handle these situations. 

 

7.  In the bench clearing lovefest, 72-year old Don Zimmer charges Pedro, which may have been the dumbest part of this whole mess.  Zimmer was going after Pedro and looks as if he is taking a swing at him.  Pedro reacts naturally and steps back and pushes Zim aside.  Being 72, Zim goes down like a rag doll.  I don't fault Pedro here at all.  He did what most anyone would do, considering everything going on, benches emptying, yelling, etc.  He defended himself in a non-aggressive way.

 

There was obviously wrongdoings on both sides here.  This situation escalated to the level it did for many reasons and could have been avoided several times.  But it wasn't because no one knows how to handle these situations anymore.  There are too many hotheads who want to fight when there is no reason to these days.  I'll leave it at that. 

 

This happens because of the stakes, the teams, the pitchers and a couple of idiots.

Garcia got hit first, then he took a hard slide into 2nd base. So interchange 2 and 1, but you're story isn't right at all.

 

1) Hideki Matsui laces a first pitch changeup into the right field seats on a hop, scores a run. 3-2 Yanks.

 

2) Karim Garcia comes up and gets thrown at with Pedro's first pitch. To me it was intentional, and Garcia takes offense to it. Starts jawing at Pedro. Both benches warned.

 

3) Alfonso Soriano comes up and hits a DP groundball, man on 3rd scores. Garcia takes a very hard and late slide at Todd Walker. Pedro and Garcia exchange words, Pedro threatens to drill someone in the head. Zimmer becomes furious (will explain why later).

 

4) Clemens gets Ramirez to 1-2, throws a ball that is tailing hard inside. Misses Manny by about a foot, but Manny never sees where the ball is actually cought because he ducked away like the baby he is. He points at Clemens, and Clemens screams at him to "f*** off!" Benches clear, Zimmer takes a b-line to Pedro. Zimmer raises his left hand to hit Pedro, Pedro grabs Zimmer by the head and throws him to the ground.

 

Now, why Zimmer was so offended. Early in ZImmer's playing carerr, he was beaned in the head, and some horrible consequences. Zimmer was unconscious for two weeks, and could speak for six weeks after he awoke. No wonder he took such offense for someone threatening to bean his own ballplayers.

Yet the biggest headhunter in baseball pitches for his team?

[Cerbaho-WG]

Here's the play by play from a completely objective point of view......

 

1.  Garcia goes in hard and late to take out Walker.  Could be considered cheap, I did not get that great a veiw of it on the replay.

 

2.  Pedro plunks Garcia for doing the above.  No big deal, that is part of baseball and it should have ended things.  Granted, Pedro could have plunked him lower and not gone in so high, but whether you think it is or not, it is not that easy to be so precise with a pitch you aren't used to throwing, let alone a strike at the catcher.

 

3.  Garcia, who should have shut and ran to 1B after getting hit, pops off.  He continues to do so after he scores on the double play ball.  Once again, all of this is over if Garcia understand why he got hit and gets over it.  If the Yankees didn't feel it was deserved, then Roger would have retaliated.  Nontheless, he should have shut the f*** up. 

 

4.  Garcia and Pedro's spat gets out of hand when benches start to empty and Posada starts going crazy, yelling at Pedro.  From my viewpoint, I thought Pedro was telling Posada he would hit him in the head.  Although somewhat understandable in the heat of an argument, this was way out of line.  Pedro showed his ass here.

 

5.  Ramirez leads off the next inning and Clemens buzzes a 0-2 (or 1-2) pitch about head high over the middle of the plate.  Was Clemens trying to hit Manny?  Hell No....  Was he likely trying to send a message??  Probably so....

 

6.  Manny overreacts and starts jawing at Clemens as he walks toward the mound.  Of course, benches clear and there is a lot of hugging and kissing going on between the teams.  Manny was wrong here big time.  Later in the inning Clemens buzzes even closer to Millar's head (yet still not that close) and Millar acts like it doesn't bother him at all, which is generally the most effective way to handle these situations. 

 

7.  In the bench clearing lovefest, 72-year old Don Zimmer charges Pedro, which may have been the dumbest part of this whole mess.  Zimmer was going after Pedro and looks as if he is taking a swing at him.  Pedro reacts naturally and steps back and pushes Zim aside.  Being 72, Zim goes down like a rag doll.  I don't fault Pedro here at all.  He did what most anyone would do, considering everything going on, benches emptying, yelling, etc.  He defended himself in a non-aggressive way.

 

There was obviously wrongdoings on both sides here.  This situation escalated to the level it did for many reasons and could have been avoided several times.  But it wasn't because no one knows how to handle these situations anymore.  There are too many hotheads who want to fight when there is no reason to these days.  I'll leave it at that. 

 

This happens because of the stakes, the teams, the pitchers and a couple of idiots.

Garcia got hit first, then he took a hard slide into 2nd base. So interchange 2 and 1, but you're story isn't right at all.

 

1) Hideki Matsui laces a first pitch changeup into the right field seats on a hop, scores a run. 3-2 Yanks.

 

2) Karim Garcia comes up and gets thrown at with Pedro's first pitch. To me it was intentional, and Garcia takes offense to it. Starts jawing at Pedro. Both benches warned.

 

3) Alfonso Soriano comes up and hits a DP groundball, man on 3rd scores. Garcia takes a very hard and late slide at Todd Walker. Pedro and Garcia exchange words, Pedro threatens to drill someone in the head. Zimmer becomes furious (will explain why later).

 

4) Clemens gets Ramirez to 1-2, throws a ball that is tailing hard inside. Misses Manny by about a foot, but Manny never sees where the ball is actually cought because he ducked away like the baby he is. He points at Clemens, and Clemens screams at him to "f*** off!" Benches clear, Zimmer takes a b-line to Pedro. Zimmer raises his left hand to hit Pedro, Pedro grabs Zimmer by the head and throws him to the ground.

 

Now, why Zimmer was so offended. Early in ZImmer's playing carerr, he was beaned in the head, and some horrible consequences. Zimmer was unconscious for two weeks, and could speak for six weeks after he awoke. No wonder he took such offense for someone threatening to bean his own ballplayers.

Yet the biggest headhunter in baseball pitches for his team?

Clemens has hit 141 batters, but I sincerely doubt even 1% were in the head.

[Bmr31]

Zimmer is a pyscho with no control of his emotions and he proved it today. If everyone attacked people for "reminding them" of the past, the entire world would be in jail. Zimmer and the fan who jumped in the bullpen, BROKE THE LAW........

[Molto]

people are gonna make Martinez to be the bad guy on this one when Zimmer, at least it appeared, was the guy who attacked him, and if the case, Martinez had every right to do that. I don't care how old Zimmer is either (72), you don't get special treatment. You want to swing at someone you should expect them to defend themselves.

 

however, Martinez yelling at Posada and saying, or at least it looked as though he was saying, that he's gonna hit him in the head isn't right either.

[arneharris]

I didn't think it was that bad...it sounded bad by description, but watching it, Pedro just reached up and Zimmer's big fat head was the easiest, closest thing to grab while getting a punched at...and he didn't twist his head and "throw him down", he merely pulled him off to the side and the old man tumbled...

[Texsox]

Imagine of Zimm causes Padro to get thrown out. Can the umps eject a NY player (Roger for example) as well. Doesn't seem fair if a coach could get a player ejected.

 

How about ZImm as the next Sox manager. Maybe he'll run out and attack some of our underachievers.

[Rex Hudler]

OK, here is my question......... Why did Pedro hit Garcia?? I came in late and I guess missed part of it.

 

what motivation would Pedro have to go "head hunting"?