thxfrthmmrs Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I agree with Jenks that the perception of the ownership group, especially in basketball, is one of the key factors in the decision process especially for a premier free agent. Money is only a minor factor in this sport since money is the same everywhere except from their original team (it also doesn’t help with Illinois tax rate). While we have team prestige from 20 years ago, all of it is probably offset by the negative perception of this franchise, both management and ownership from recent years. It’s going to be hard for us to attract a true max level star unless our core players are heads and shoulders better than our competitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Someone tell me how to feel. Other than I really enjoy the existence of the two way contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 While this is probably not a very big factor anymore, I don't doubt whatsoever that the long shadow of MJ had its effect for a while. Do you think LeBron wanted to stake his career on a fanbase that would never call him the GOAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Sounds like it's Lakers or Clippers for Kawhi. Lakers would be such a weak ass move. Then again... these guys don't care about making weak ass moves for rings (Durant, LeBron). I guess the only good news is Bulls only have to deal with Giannis and the Kyrie/Durant Nets now if Kawhi leaves Toronto for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Sounds like it's Lakers or Clippers for Kawhi. Lakers would be such a weak ass move. Then again... these guys don't care about making weak ass moves for rings (Durant, LeBron). I guess the only good news is Bulls only have to deal with Giannis and the Kyrie/Durant Nets now if Kawhi leaves Toronto for the foreseeable future. Kawhi has rings with two different orgs. I think what is attracting him to LA lakers is he wouldn't have to be the guy. He clearly wanted to go play in LA regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Jake said: While this is probably not a very big factor anymore, I don't doubt whatsoever that the long shadow of MJ had its effect for a while. Do you think LeBron wanted to stake his career on a fanbase that would never call him the GOAT? I think had he played for the Bulls and has a resume that rivals or exceeds Jordan’s, the fan base would have been more accepting of him being the GOAT, vs him not having played for this franchise at all. That said, there is definitely a bit of added pressure to succeed with constant comparisons to MJ if you’re at an all timer level, which can’t be said about all max level players, don’t think it moves the needle to the point where we’re not even in any considerations however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 The shadow of michael jordan has hurt the front office and ownership more than any part of player legacy. The front office takeaway is that the 90s bulls were about defense and grindyness. And if you were a part of it you can tag along forever. Not that it was the most talented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Arcidiacono back to the Bulls. 3 years, $9 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Arci is back. Three years is annoying but I’m sure it won’t be hard to shed. Trade dunn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) Good for Arch. Kid went from an undrafted, D-League fodder to now a solid NBA rotation player and a millionaire. I always root for the underdog stories. Edited July 2, 2019 by SoxAce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Hard to see Dunn sticking around with 4 PG on the team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jake said: Arcidiacono back to the Bulls. 3 years, $9 million Awesome. My sons favorite player (cause my son is also named Ryan). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I feel like a Dunn trade has to basically be in motion. Arci was an RFA. No need to sign him without Dunn still on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Somebody switch bodies with GarPax? That's another great move for the Bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I would have to imagine a trade is in the works. I would guess Phx or Memphis, and hopefully we don’t need to send out assets aside from Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Bulls went from a D League bench to PG- Sato- A guy who has shown he's a capable starter in the league. SG- Valentine- Sato will get minutes here, but people forget DV actually shot the ball well from beyond the arc 2 years ago. SF- Hutch- Looked decent as a rookie. PF- Young- A proven role player and solid veteran presence C- Kornet- A 7 footer with a reliable 3 point shot. . You could argue that Sato and/or Young start, but the narrative fits either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Yes, I think White at PG is more likely off the bench, and we may see Dunn traded to allow more wing depth. But it is much improved. It was such a drop off from every other non-knicks team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 You think they got room to bring back Thabo? Will they have the minutes to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, scs787 said: You think they got room to bring back Thabo? Will they have the minutes to do so? Thabos probably better than I think they will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think at this point keep Dunn. Injuries will happen and his value is so low at this point. I think keeping him is better than a 2nd rounder four years from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I think at this point keep Dunn. Injuries will happen and his value is so low at this point. I think keeping him is better than a 2nd rounder four years from now. Big question is what his attitude will be like. Every now and then you get signs from the Bulls that they think there may have been effort/attitude problems with Dunn. If he's going to wreck what's looking like it will be a group of good team guys, you might have to move him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jake said: Big question is what his attitude will be like. Every now and then you get signs from the Bulls that they think there may have been effort/attitude problems with Dunn. If he's going to wreck what's looking like it will be a group of good team guys, you might have to move him. Exactly. A dunn that embraces his role could be very valuable, a Dunn that still tries to prove he's the dude and should be controlling the offense and holding the ball sucks and should be off the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I agree with both of those statements. That said he isn't getting a starting job anywhere so it isn't like bulls are holding him back. I'm hoping that would prevent him from not being a team guy. I'd take my chance and be ready to cut the chord if it doesn't work. Santy isn't a pure one so Dunn and him could come off bench, etc. Plus I like White practicing against someone like Dunn...as long as he doesn't go all Bobby Portis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Wendell Carter Jr. will miss the summer league due to surgery to repair a "core muscle injury." Bulls say he'll be ready for training camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Jake said: Wendell Carter Jr. will miss the summer league due to surgery to repair a "core muscle injury." Bulls say he'll be ready for training camp. This is a big bummer given how much time he missed last year. Don’t like that he is already hurt again. Jury is still majorly out on him. In hindsight, how good would doncic for wcj and white look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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