caulfield12 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 https://sports.yahoo.com/more-tough-injury-news-former-234956998.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 The amount of guys who have missed big chunks of multiple consecutive seasons in astounding. Burdi, Burger, Dunning, & Adolfo are the big ones, but then you got guys like A.J Puckett, Andre Davis, & Victor Davis who legit haven’t pitched in a professional game since 2017. I’m sure I’m missing some others as well, but it’s crazy as fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The amount of guys who have missed big chunks of multiple consecutive seasons in astounding. Burdi, Burger, Dunning, & Adolfo are the big ones, but then you got guys like A.J Puckett, Andre Davis, & Victor Davis who legit haven’t pitched in a professional game since 2017. I’m sure I’m missing some others as well, but it’s crazy as fuck. I’m just as worried about those three key reliever injuries....because Burdi, Burr and Hamilton were supposed to be the core of the next contending pen. And wasn’t Kade McClure yet another in that next group with Tyler Johnson who also went down with an major injury in the last year or so? Right now, we’ve gotten no or more or less negative net value from Hawkins, Rodon (moreso his value or lack thereof currently), Fulmer, Burdi, Burger and Collins if you add them all up together. That’s not the greatest track record, and almost impossible for mid-market teams to overcome. Edited June 30, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The amount of guys who have missed big chunks of multiple consecutive seasons in astounding. Burdi, Burger, Dunning, & Adolfo are the big ones, but then you got guys like A.J Puckett, Andre Davis, & Victor Davis who legit haven’t pitched in a professional game since 2017. I’m sure I’m missing some others as well, but it’s crazy as fuck. I am wondering if it has anything to do with the conditioning programs these guys are on, or were on in college/high school. Are they being pushed too hard? Maybe they aren't being conditioned in the proper way? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Jake Burger will never see MLB without a ticket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 8 hours ago, ScooterMcGee said: I am wondering if it has anything to do with the conditioning programs these guys are on, or were on in college/high school. Are they being pushed too hard? Maybe they aren't being conditioned in the proper way? THEY ARE THROWING TOO HARD AND DAMAGING THEIR LIGAMENTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, pcq said: THEY ARE THROWING TOO HARD AND DAMAGING THEIR LIGAMENTS That's fine and all but that doesn't explain Burger, Basabe, etc. I agree with the pitchers. I would rather they teach more finesse and location control like Buehrle and Maddux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: That's fine and all but that doesn't explain Burger, Basabe, etc. I agree with the pitchers. I would rather they teach more finesse and location control like Buehrle and Maddux. I would also like to find someone with the best control in baseball history. It's a new game right, not like you just asked for something seen once in 150 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 When they tone down the baseball (and you can bet that they will) that also may make a difference in pitching style and philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Burger is one of the reasons I dismiss the MLB draft ... total crapshoot. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 5 hours ago, ScooterMcGee said: That's fine and all but that doesn't explain Burger, Basabe, etc. I agree with the pitchers. I would rather they teach more finesse and location control like Buehrle and Maddux. This is what Cooper teaches, sacrificing velocity for movement. However, much of this board pretty much wants him gone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 12 hours ago, greg775 said: Burger is one of the reasons I dismiss the MLB draft ... total crapshoot. You waited until we drafted Burger to figure this out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Yikes.... so many wasted draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, harkness99 said: Yikes.... so many wasted draft picks. Burger was a terrible pick from day one. Drafting a guy whose absolute ceiling is Billy Butler is never a good idea with a top 15 pick. Jo Adell went one pick before Burger too. What could have been... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, SonofaRoache said: You waited until we drafted Burger to figure this out? I shut up when we drafted him cause at that time the board was quite mean compared to now and I didn't want to continue my negativity and possibly get put on vacation. I stayed neutral on Burger. Edited July 1, 2019 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 What's the best cheese for a burger? It's swiss right? That's the status of this guy's body. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: What's the best cheese for a burger? It's swiss right? That's the status of this guy's body. I am a chedddddaaaa guy, myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 that injury pattern... nothing like ive ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, OneDog847 said: Burger was a terrible pick from day one. Drafting a guy whose absolute ceiling is Billy Butler is never a good idea with a top 15 pick. Jo Adell went one pick before Burger too. What could have been... Thanks for making me look his stats up. Brutal. The Sox picked a chubby 3B over that guy? Adell is also ranked the #4 overall prospect in MLB’s top 100, one spot above Luis Robert. Edited July 2, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Those who root for losses will tell you we woulda picked somebody much better than Burger had we just dropped 8-10 more games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, OneDog847 said: Burger was a terrible pick from day one. Drafting a guy whose absolute ceiling is Billy Butler is never a good idea with a top 15 pick. Jo Adell went one pick before Burger too. What could have been... Pretty comical to compare a kid who won the award for college baseballs best defensive 3rd baseman to a guy who couldnt even play 1st base at an 8th grade level. Edited July 2, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Pretty comical to compare a kid who won the award for college baseballs best defensive 3rd baseman to a guy who couldnt even play 1st base at an 8th grade level. Doesn’t mean much when he can’t get 200 at bats without tearing his ACL or hurting his foot. Edited July 2, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Doesn’t mean much when he can’t get 200 at bats without tearing his ACL or hurting his foot. Great but he cited his ceiling as billy butler. If he hit like butler did his first 5 years and played third base he'd be a 4 WAR+ player. He cited Butler because Butler is fat and he wanted to rip burger but Butler had hands of stone and Burger has very good hands. The comparison was poor and as ignorant as when people just compare black baseball players to each other because they're both black. Oh and Butler played 1400 MLB games which is significantly more than 97% of guys drafted after the 10th pick. Edited July 2, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Great but he cited his ceiling as billy butler. If he hit like butler did his first 5 years and played third base he'd be a 4 WAR+ player. He cited Butler because Butler is fat and he wanted to rip burger but Butler had hands of stone and Burger has very good hands. The comparison was poor and as ignorant as when people just compare black baseball players to each other because they're both black. Oh and Butler played 1400 MLB games which is significantly more than 97% of guys drafted after the 10th pick. Also likely 1400 more MLB games than Burger will play. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 5:54 AM, caulfield12 said: https://sports.yahoo.com/more-tough-injury-news-former-234956998.html I know this is a Burger thread and not Burdi but it says in the article that he tore a ligament near his patella. If this is accurate than he probably didn't tear the patella tendon discussed earlier but probably the medial patella femoral ligament. That is really the only significant ligament there. This a an odd injury unless he dislocated his patella. They really have had bad luck with injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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