mqr Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just now, BigHurt3515 said: What is the point of signing Grandal to a big contract only to split time with McCann? Yeah seems like a redundant use of resources to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: That is likely because Sale skews the numbers to make the Sox look better. Oh and btw give me one 6 WAR player like Sale over three 2 WAR players any day of the week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: What is the point of signing Grandal to a big contract only to split time with McCann? 2 minutes ago, mqr said: Yeah seems like a redundant use of resources to me. Do you trust McCann to do this again with the bat? I don't. McCann is having a career year but I think he's a backup long-term. Grandal and McCann would make a great tandem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) What? Lol. I don't get this at all. I'd much rather these go to Yermin to see what he can do in the big leagues. Edited July 9, 2019 by BackDoorBreach 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said: What? Lol. I don't get this at all. I'd much rather these go to Yermin to see what he can do in the big leagues. #JusticeforYermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Reed will be wearing #24. Unacceptable for the Sox to give this guy Matt Davidson’s number. What do you think about that, Greg? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) So to recap: Palka sent down for Reed. Collins will be sent down for the rehabbing Beef so he can receieve consistent at bats and catch. It's good that Collins was at least able to get a taste of the majors and kind of learn a bit and work with McCann. Catcher is a different animal compared to other spots on the field. A little bit more onboarding than most positions. Just wish he could have receive at bats as the DH while "onboarding." Edited July 9, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: What? Lol. I don't get this at all. I'd much rather these go to Yermin to see what he can do in the big leagues. 4 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said: #JusticeforYermin Yermin has better numbers this year but without the prospect pedigree. Ultimately, is there much of a difference who gets a shot first? If Reed sucks, Yermin may get his shot next. [Lillian] Also, Yermin isn’t a lefty bat! [/Lillian] Edited July 9, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Collins being up was not working since...ricky didn't bother and I am on team #freeyermin, but if you are going to claim this dude I support actually seeing if he can maintain performance in majors because it will be hard to care about AAA production. The question will be if he performs very well through the end of the year, to what extent would the sox hold a spot for that production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Agreed. And for petes sake sign Grandal. With Grandal amd McCann they wouldn't have to worry about catcher for 3-4 seasons. The Sox need to spend $ this offseason on pitching, pitching, and more pitching. McCann will be the starting catcher in 2020. The back up catcher for 2020 is tbd. 3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: So to recap: Palka sent down for Reed. Collins will be sent down for the rehabbing Beef so he can receieve consistent at bats and catch. It's good that Collins was at least able to get a taste of the majors and kind of learn a bit and work with McCann. Catcher is a different animal compared to other spots on the field. A little bit more onboarding than most positions. Just wish he could have receive at bats as the DH while "onboarding." Collins was drafted over 3 years ago as one of the most advanced college bats in the draft. If his bat ain't ready for the show now then it likely won't ever be. I don't like the idea of leaving Collins in AAA the rest of this year. The Sox are hopefully going to be competitive in 2020. Zach Collins learning on the job next year is not going to help the team win baseball games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bmags said: Collins being up was not working since...ricky didn't bother and I am on team #freeyermin, but if you are going to claim this dude I support actually seeing if he can maintain performance in majors because it will be hard to care about AAA production. The question will be if he performs very well through the end of the year, to what extent would the sox hold a spot for that production? If you assume that Abreu will be extended and Reed shows some production, he will at least have a job at DH next season until Vaughn is ready. At this point, I don’t see a scenario where Abreu isn’t back next year so I guess the key for Reed is tearing it up quickly and how long will Abreu be extended for. The perfect storm would be Reed tearing it up in the second half, signing Abreu for one more year, and Vaughn being ready after the 2020 season. But I doubt we are that lucky or that Abreu would settle for a one year deal. Edited July 9, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, JuliusO1274 said: That is likely because Sale skews the numbers to make the Sox look better. well we skewed that into Moncada and Kopech, two guys who should combine for about 40 WAR on the South Side in the next 5 years. The 1st round picks haven't been a huge problem it's been finding and developing position players (high school guys really) later in the draft and finding the 15-16 year old Latin kids before they blow up and then developing them. Looking at BPs list last night I was blown away by how the Rays and Astros and Yankees are able to unearth these Latin kids before they get pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Swing and miss guys like Collins need regular ABs. You are just asking for a huge funk with limited playing time. Really, they should have seen the amount of LH pitchers they would be facing and kept Collins in AAA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: The Sox need to spend $ this offseason on pitching, pitching, and more pitching. McCann will be the starting catcher in 2020. The back up catcher for 2020 is tbd. Collins was drafted over 3 years ago as one of the most advanced college bats in the draft. If his bat ain't ready for the show now then it likely won't ever be. I don't like the idea of leaving Collins in AAA the rest of this year. The Sox are hopefully going to be competitive in 2020. Zach Collins learning on the job next year is not going to help the team win baseball games. I completely agree. He should be getting regular at bats in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, KrankinSox said: Castillo is rehabbing in the minors as we speak. Assuming he is called up very soon, I imagine Collins goes back to AAA. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Hopefully Collins puts up good numbers the rest of the way in AAA and can be flipped in the offseason or at the trade deadline. Colome/Collins/Fulmer to Texas for Joe Palumbo and Sam Huff would be an interesting trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxa6 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: "cock shot" seems to have fallen out of favor since when I was playing but if you miss your share of "cock shots" at any level you aren't much of a hitter. I played high school ball about 10 years ago and “Cockshot” was the most popular term for a pitch right down the middle haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Whitesoxa6 said: I played high school ball about 10 years ago and “Cockshot” was the most popular term for a pitch right down the middle haha OK cool glad to know I'm not too old yet. It was popular when I was playing in the early aughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: If you assume that Abreu will be extended and Reed shows some production, he will at least have a job at DH next season until Vaughn is ready. At this point, I don’t see a scenario where Abreu isn’t back next year so I guess the key for Reed is tearing it up quickly and how long will Abreu be extended for. The perfect storm would be Reed tearing it up in the second half, signing Abreu for one more year, and Vaughn being ready after the 2020 season. But I doubt we are that lucky or that Abreu would settle for a one year deal. I love Abreu, but I do not think it would be wise to extend him beyond two more seasons. He does not walk much, and if the average dips much below .260 he becomes a near replacement level player. Hahn should hopefully be too smart to pay retail for an aging slugger. Abreu has value to this club, but I cannot get on board for anything beyond a two year offer, perhaps with a club option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Yermin has better numbers this year but without the prospect pedigree. Ultimately, is there much of a difference who gets a shot first? If Reed sucks, Yermin may get his shot next. [Lillian] Also, Yermin isn’t a lefty bat! [/Lillian] I am aware of that. My mentioning Mercedes was only as an emergency replacement for either Collins, or McCann, in the event that one of them were injured, after having released Castillo, should the Sox elect to do that. I also suggested Zavala, in that same context, realising that he also hits right handed. Under a scenario, in which Castillo were moved and Collins, or McCann were injured, someone would have to assume the back up catcher role, regardless of the side of the plate, from which they hit. I wasn't suggesting the Mercedes be given the DH role. Edited July 9, 2019 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, mqr said: Yeah seems like a redundant use of resources to me. Every day catchers are not really a thing any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lillian said: I am aware of that. My mentioning Mercedes was only as an emergency replacement for either Collins, or McCann, in the event that one of them were injured, after having released Castillo, should the Sox elect to do that. I also suggested Zavala, in that same context, realising that he also hits right handed. Under a scenario, in which Castillo were moved and Collins, or McCann were injured, someone would have to assume the back up catcher role, regardless of the side of the plate, from which they hit. I wasn't suggesting the Mercedes be given the DH role. I was just joking around. I don’t really have a preference between Reed and Yermin and who gets the first crack at DH. They are a similar age at 26 but Reed has a couple more things going for him than Yermin. He’s a lefty bat and the Sox have apparently liked him for awhile. Reed said the Sox have tried trading for him in the past but the Astros wanted too much in return. However, Yermin has the better most recent AAA stats. Edited July 9, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) I'd be interested to hear more about Reed's weight, and what all of your thoughts are, on the subject. This young man seems to be in quite awful shape. That's quite a belly he's carrying there, and I understand that he has not expressed any interest in trying to change that. Edited July 9, 2019 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: I was just joking around. I don’t really have a preference between Reed and Yermin and who gets the first crack at DH. They are a similar age at 26 but Reed has a couple more things going for him than Yermin. He’s a lefty bat and the Sox have apparently liked him for awhile. Reed said the Sox have tried trading for him in the past but the Astros wanted too much in return. However, Yermin has the better most recent AAA stats. I suspected that your comment was made in jest, but as much grief as I get around here, for wanting a better balance in the line up, I never know when someone is serious, when it comes to that subject. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lillian said: I'd be interested to hear more about Reed's weight, and what all of your thoughts are, on the subject. This young man seems to be in quite awful shape, and I understand that he has not expressed any interest in trying to change that. He is listed as 6’4”, 275. He’s a big boy. Frank was listed as 6’5”, 275 in his later years. lol I guess if Reed hits, no one will care. I did see this article that says Reed showed up to Spring Training down 25 pounds: https://www.mlb.com/news/aj-reed-ready-to-help-astros-in-2018-c266781456 Edited July 9, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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