TaylorStSox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: He's going to need at least a half season to adjust to MLB pitching. We've seen it with all of our position prospects. It took Moncada a year and a half, and Eloy a half season, so I'm expecting somewhere in between those two. If I expected Robert to come up and rake it would be one thing. I don't want him to be a black hole offensively for at least half of 2020. That's the argument for calling him up on 8/1. You realize development isn't linear right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: Eh, there’s just so many more layers to it than this. Everyone gets this. How do you balance: Club financial flexibility Necessary MLB seasoning Team chemistry PR and fan interest Employee morale Rewarding somebody when they earn something...or fallout from NOT rewarding the player How potential FA perceive your club based on the above. There are probably 100 more factors that go into it The system in place is the system we work with. Need to mutually agree on a fair compromise extension and your a major leaguer overnight. Don't think you can blame White Sox management for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: You realize development isn't linear right? Of course. I'm expecting him to take longer than Jimenez to adjust. The fact that Jimenez didn't come in and rake immediately makes me think that Robert is going to be closer to Moncada than Eloy. It wouldn't shock me if Robert comes up and sucks. I actually expect that. Edited July 20, 2019 by Jack Parkman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Of course. I'm expecting him to take longer than Jimenez to adjust. The fact that Jimenez didn't come in and rake immediately makes me think that Robert is going to be closer to Moncada than Eloy. It wouldn't shock me if Robert comes up and sucks. I actually expect that. I don't understand why so many fans hate the idea of him coming up August 1st. He gets to struggle for two months, get better in the offseason and has a chance to help us win in 2020. To be honest, we shouldn't even be worried about 2026 right now when we have 6 years of hopefully quality baseball coming up. Something we haven't seen since the early 1900s. 2026 will still be good if our FO proves to be savvy and our owners continues to spend money. Let's not throw 2020 out the window for 2026 when both can be convention years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: You realize development isn't linear right? That's true. But good players do get better as time progresses and as they get more MLB at bats. Two months and an offseason/spring training is a very good way of getting a young guy acclimated to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: I don't understand why so many fans hate the idea of him coming up August 1st. He gets to struggle for two months, get better in the offseason and has a chance to help us win in 2020. To be honest, we shouldn't even be worried about 2026 right now when we have 6 years of hopefully quality baseball coming up. Something we haven't seen since the early 1900s. 2026 will still be good if our FO proves to be savvy and our owners continues to spend money. Let's not throw 2020 out the window for 2026 when both can be convention years. Wonderful post and my thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It wouldn't shock me if Robert comes up and sucks. I actually expect that. No reason to post this Jack, we all know you’ll automatically expect the worst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: No reason to post this Jack, we all know you’ll automatically expect the worst. No, not true anymore. I just think it is an unrealistic assumption to think he's not going to struggle out of the gate. I thought Eloy would come up and just start raking but he didn't either. A half season of adjustments is reasonable for even the most polished minor league hitters. Idk what's negative about that. Edited July 20, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: By my count, the Padres have now brought up SEVEN (Morejon for the first time and Urias again) milb Top 100 prospects this season, irrespective of service time/extensions or whether they could realistically compete for a wild card. They’re also pursuing Syndergaard, Bauer and Stroman... Great for the Padres man. Not sure what they have to do with the discussion at hand. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Wonderful post and my thoughts exactly This was my philosophy with Jimenez and I got many smiley faces due to the overwhelming idea of it hurting his service time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: This was my philosophy with Jimenez and I got many smiley faces due to the overwhelming idea of it hurting his service time. I wanted Eloy up last year too, but at least that was more defensible because it was pretty clear 2019 wasn't going to be a competitive team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: This was my philosophy with Jimenez and I got many smiley faces due to the overwhelming idea of it hurting his service time. Eloy signed an extension. The storyline would repeat itself it Robert signs an extension as well. These are the circumstances of the rules currently in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: This was my philosophy with Jimenez and I got many smiley faces due to the overwhelming idea of it hurting his service time. Jimenez was different because nobody was performing in 2018. They had a core group of zero in August 2018. They have a core group of four in August 2019. Huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Of course. I'm expecting him to take longer than Jimenez to adjust. The fact that Jimenez didn't come in and rake immediately makes me think that Robert is going to be closer to Moncada than Eloy. It wouldn't shock me if Robert comes up and sucks. I actually expect that. Eloy doesn't have the talent of Robert. He has a much longer swing and slower hands too. The reason it took Moncada longer to adjust is because he has such an advanced approach. I think Robert will be much more aggressive at the plate, but won't have the same strike zone mastery as Moncada. To use a White Sox comparison, Moncada is more Thomas and Robert is more Belle. I think Eloy is somewhere in the middle, but he's not nearly as physically gifted as the other two. Robert and Moncada are physical specimens with tools across the board. Regardless, Robert's timetable for adjustment has absolutely nothing to do with Moncada or Eloy or any other player that's played MLB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, ptatc said: This was my philosophy with Jimenez and I got many smiley faces due to the overwhelming idea of it hurting his service time. We can compete in 2020 and weren't able to this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) Also, for those using Kris Bryant as an example, that is an interesting situation. The Cubs probably win that one close loss they had if Bryant was called up the year before. In the old playoff format, the Cubs would not have made the playoffs in 2015 as they were one game behind Pitt for the first wild card. Because of the two wild cards, they were able to extend their season. Had they won one more game with Bryant being up, they would have hosted Pitt in that one game wild card instead of going on the road. The Cubs season also started against St Louis that year, the team that edged the Cubs and Pirates out for the division. If the Cubs win that 3-2 loss, and that second game against the Cards, (2-0 loss) they'd have won the division instead of being the second wild card. I know this is a lot of ifs but my point is baseball standings get real tight and not having Robert and Magical for two weeks can turn a contention year into another sit at home year. Edited July 23, 2019 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I’m sure it was already posted here, but Hahn pretty much confirmed we won’t be seeing Robert until 2020. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m sure it was already posted here, but Hahn pretty much confirmed we won’t be seeing Robert until 2020. Good. Steal the extra year of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m sure it was already posted here, but Hahn pretty much confirmed we won’t be seeing Robert until 2020. When? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 It's strange that both Hahn and Robert can't agree on a short extension for the actual value of the two months this year and the first few weeks of next years season. Actuaries could tell you within a few dollars the actual value of that time. When both parties want the same objective a compromise should be easy to reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, poppysox said: It's strange that both Hahn and Robert can't agree on a short extension for the actual value of the two months this year and the first few weeks of next years season. Actuaries could tell you within a few dollars the actual value of that time. When both parties want the same objective a compromise should be easy to reach. Robert already got $26 million guaranteed from the Sox, much more than first round draft picks. He has no incentive to sign a contract until he he a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/20/2019 at 11:22 AM, SonofaRoache said: I don't understand why so many fans hate the idea of him coming up August 1st. He gets to struggle for two months, get better in the offseason and has a chance to help us win in 2020. To be honest, we shouldn't even be worried about 2026 right now when we have 6 years of hopefully quality baseball coming up. Something we haven't seen since the early 1900s. 2026 will still be good if our FO proves to be savvy and our owners continues to spend money. Let's not throw 2020 out the window for 2026 when both can be convention years. This has been beaten to death, but the additional season of prime Robert control is too important to waste on a non-competitive season. The front office has to both manage the short, medium and long term outlook of the club. Robert has the potential to be a star, you absolutely need to gain the additional year of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Robert already got $26 million guaranteed from the Sox, much more than first round draft picks. He has no incentive to sign a contract until he he a free agent. I think the poster means a deal where he can come up this year, and we would have him for 7 years becoming a free agent the same year as he would if he came up mid-April 2020. He might sacrifice some money by avoiding arbitration though. Edited July 23, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, soxfan2014 said: I think the poster means a deal where he can come up this year, and we would have him for 7 years becoming a free agent the same year as he would if he came up mid-April 2020. I read it again and I think that is what he means. But when does this ever happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: I read it again and I think that is what he means. But when does this ever happen? Honestly, probably never. But it would be sick if they somehow announced an 8-year deal (first year being pro-rated this year). Obviously, not expecting that. Edited July 23, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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