Blackout Friday Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, wegner said: If I was at O'Hare and someone told me I was being sent to Charlotte, I would be pissed too!!! Keep your head up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: There's that magic injury prediction device again. PTATC: As others who appear to know more about the draft than I do here at this site have been consistently saying Burdi was a reach to begin with for a first round pick. But since you bring it up and since you are a trainer I'm sure you know about the procedures in place that some teams are using based on a series of data points to try to help "predict" if certain athletes are prone to future injuries. I've been reading about them in Sports Illustrated among other places. I wonder if the Sox have or use such new techniques? And since you are alluding to the "luck" factor I remind you of Branch Rickey's famous comment on luck, "Luck is the residue of design..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, wegner said: I am not taking any sides here but just for kicks I decided to look up the #10 pick for the 10 years prior to Collins. 2015 Cornelius Randolph...OF in AA 2014 Michael Conforto...OF for the Mets 2013 Phil Bickford...P in A+ ball 2012 David Dahl...OF for the Rockies 2011 Corey Spangenberg...2B recently DFA by Brewers organization 2010 Michael Choice...P in the Mexican League 2009 Drew Storen...P who is currently a free agent 2008 Jason Castro...C for the Twins 2007 Madison Bumgarner...P for the Giants 2006 Tim Lincecum...P currently listed as a free agent What’s funny is that list is waaaaaay better than the results at #4, where people on here somehow claimed Madrigal wasn’t the type of talent you take at 4. Which is a theory based on who knows...maybe taint + testes= boobs? I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Dude probably got his info from the same O’hare bartender who said Manny Machado came for a second visit some odd months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: If this is indeed true (who knows for sure?) then that's another black mark on the drafting part of the front office. It would be another high first round pick that they missed on. How many mulligans does that group get before someone starts asking what is wrong? Fulmer, Collins, Burdi, Burger... The guy who selected Fulmer is no longer running our drafts and hard to blame them for Burger’s fluky injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: The guy who selected Fulmer is no longer running our drafts and hard to blame them for Burger’s fluky injury. Well, no more so than if Zion Williamson blew out his Achilles playing 20-30 pounds overweight in the summer league. Blame...maybe not, but it’s also not like there wasn’t a huge red flag the day he was drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: it’s also not like there wasn’t a huge red flag the day he was drafted. This is absolutely ridiculous. You really believe there was a huge red flag that Jake Burger was going to rupture his Achilles before he was even drafted? Serious man? Edited July 15, 2019 by DirtySox 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Some more hot scoops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: PTATC: As others who appear to know more about the draft than I do here at this site have been consistently saying Burdi was a reach to begin with for a first round pick. But since you bring it up and since you are a trainer I'm sure you know about the procedures in place that some teams are using based on a series of data points to try to help "predict" if certain athletes are prone to future injuries. I've been reading about them in Sports Illustrated among other places. I wonder if the Sox have or use such new techniques? And since you are alluding to the "luck" factor I remind you of Branch Rickey's famous comment on luck, "Luck is the residue of design..." not alluding to luck at all. I'm talking about not faulting the FO on an injured draft pick. Many people have tried over the years to predict injuries. There will never be any hard rules because people are different anatomically. We all have certain things to look at and have our biases. Like mine with Rodon. I said they day they drafted him and I watched his motion that i didn't like his follow through and it would lead to problems. However, others have used it and not had problems. We can narrow it down to a few things but it will never be a strong causation/correlation. People will continue to look for the magic formula because it will make them rich in sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) On 7/15/2019 at 5:39 PM, caulfield12 said: Well, no more so than if Zion Williamson blew out his Achilles playing 20-30 pounds overweight in the summer league. Blame...maybe not, but it’s also not like there wasn’t a huge red flag the day he was drafted. He didn't have a history of injury. And do you know what the number variable (as small as it is) to getting injured? a previous injury. Edited July 17, 2019 by ptatc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, ptatc said: not alluding to luck at all. I'm talking about not faulting the FO on an injured draft pick. Many people have tried over the years to predict injuries. There will never be any hard rules because people are different anatomically. We all have certain things to look at and have our biases. Like mine with Rodon. I said they day they drafted him and I watched his motion that i didn't like his follow through and it would lead to problems. However, others have used it and not had problems. We can narrow it down to a few things but it will never be a strong causation/correlation. People will continue to look for the magic formula because it will make them rich in sports. And for those that are going to blame on that side, there is always the fact that the Sox were more comfortable with Christopher Sale's delivery than others and were able to land a guy who is a likely HOFer because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: And for those that are going to blame on that side, there is always the fact that the Sox were more comfortable with Christopher Sale's delivery than others and were able to land a guy who is a likely HOFer because of it. He’s not home free yet for the HoF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sleepy Harold Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) Edited July 16, 2019 by Sleepy Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Demoted, not demoted, to just kidding demoted ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Beef is BACK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Don’t get why they didn’t just call Zavala up. They had to have seen something in the few at bats Collins did have to have second thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Good. Collins has a lot to work on and can't do that with the White Sox. He needs to retool his swing and get as many PA's as he can before we see him back in a month and a half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 hours ago, ptatc said: not alluding to luck at all. I'm talking about not faulting the FO on an injured draft pick. Many people have tried over the years to predict injuries. There will never be any hard rules because people are different anatomically. We all have certain things to look at and have our biases. Like mine with Rodon. I said they day they drafted him and I watched his motion that i didn't like his follow through and it would lead to problems. However, others have used it and not had problems. We can narrow it down to a few things but it will never be a strong causation/correlation. People will continue to look for the magic formula because it will make them rich in sports. Sale was often criticized for his "sure to cause injury" violent motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 7 hours ago, mqr said: Don’t get why they didn’t just call Zavala up. They had to have seen something in the few at bats Collins did have to have second thoughts. Work a little bit and learn from McCann and get a taste of the majors is all I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 How many extra tickets do you think will be sold on Monday for the return of Beef? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 47 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: How many extra tickets do you think will be sold on Monday for the return of Beef? -150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: How many extra tickets do you think will be sold on Monday for the return of Beef? Use the discount code "beef" for a voucher for a free hot dog at the game * *not valid for the purchase of kosher dogs or the good dogs with the grilled onions at the carts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Richie said: Good. Collins has a lot to work on and can't do that with the White Sox. He needs to retool his swing and get as many PA's as he can before we see him back in a month and a half. I thought this cat was supposed to have one of the most advanced bats in his draft class? I'm not sure that 6 weeks in Charlotte is gonna be the cure for what ails him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Would have liked to move wellington to the Cubs, even for Montgomery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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