ptatc Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: So are you insinuating there is a somewhat realistic chance in could be a UCL injury? What is your guess of the injury having reviewed the replay? I think it's possible. You really can't tell by the replay. It does look more hyperextended-ish but you really can't tell. The more extension position of your elbow, the harder it is to injure the UCL. The fact that they immediately sent him home and put him on the IL isn't a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Tony said: And I think you're wrong. I agree. This wasnt a case of him going for the ball awkwardly or trying to put his foot on the wall. This was him making a good aggressive play for the ball. If Tilson wasnt there it wouldnt have been an issue. This was a communication issue not a bad outfield play issue like the ankle injury. Edited July 17, 2019 by ptatc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: So are you insinuating there is a somewhat realistic chance in could be a UCL injury? What is your guess of the injury having reviewed the replay? 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: I think it's possible. You really can't tell by the replay. It does look more hyperextended-ish but you really can't tell. The more extension position of your elbow, the harder it is to injure the UCL. The fact that they immediately sent him home and put him on the IL isn't a good sign. If he needs Tommy John, can the Sox just elect not to do it? I'm afraid that Tommy John will derail Eloy like it did with Micker Adolfo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Engel leading off for Charlotte today. Robert not in the lineup, but I don't think he's coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Engel, Palka, Escobar, and Mendick all in the lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said: Engel, Palka, Escobar, and Mendick all in the lineup Is Paulo Orlando still a thing? I haven't been paying attention to their lineup other than Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, flavum said: Is Paulo Orlando still a thing? I haven't been paying attention to their lineup other than Robert. Yes, but his numbers (park and league adjusted) are pretty bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: If he needs Tommy John, can the Sox just elect not to do it? I'm afraid that Tommy John will derail Eloy like it did with Micker Adolfo. It's his throwing arm so it will depend on the extent of the injury. If it completely torn, the could brace him, DH him for awhile. However, he would probably need surgery by the end of August to be ready for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, ptatc said: I agree. This wasnt a case of him going for the ball awkwardly or trying to put his foot on the wall. This was him making a good aggressive play for the ball. If Tilson wasnt there it wouldnt have been an issue. This was a communication issue not a bad outfield play issue like the knee injury. Yeah this was much more in an inexperience play than a ‘Whoa what in God’s green earth is he doing out there’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Any news yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, flavum said: Engel leading off for Charlotte today. Robert not in the lineup, but I don't think he's coming up. I mean, I'm not not going to jump to conclusions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxsi75 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: If he needs Tommy John, can the Sox just elect not to do it? I'm afraid that Tommy John will derail Eloy like it did with Micker Adolfo. I'm not a Doctor, but does every elbow injury now have to involve Tommy John Surgery? I agree, can't the White Sox just elect not to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 He never was going to be a plus arm to begin with...but that surgery would cause him to miss or be behind in what was originally slated to be a competitive 2020 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxsi75 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: He never was going to be a plus arm to begin with...but that surgery would cause him to miss or be behind in what was originally slated to be a competitive 2020 season. Exactly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, flavum said: Engel leading off for Charlotte today. Robert not in the lineup, but I don't think he's coming up. 31 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Engel, Palka, Escobar, and Mendick all in the lineup Wow....this is interesting. Goins not in the lineup either tho, so I'd guess it'll be him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, mqr said: Yeah this was much more in an inexperience play than a ‘Whoa what in God’s green earth is he doing out there’ I watched the play several times Tilson was the only one who had a shot he also is the one who has the priority because he plays CF. This injury is a result of Eloy not doing his job which is to backup Tilson once he calls for the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Moncada said: Any news yet? 5 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: I watched the play several times Tilson was the only one who had a shot he also is the one who has the priority because he plays CF. This injury is a result of Eloy not doing his job which is to backup Tilson once he calls for the ball. It depends. If he didn't hear him, and Tilson also admitted he called for it late, it is just an unfortunate occurrence. It didn't appear Eloy was going to make the play but it looked like he was calling for it as well, so it could be a case where he just couldn't get out of the way fast enough. Too bad this isn't 16 inch softball. They could move Eloy to catcher and call it a day. Edited July 17, 2019 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDog847 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ptatc said: It's his throwing arm so it will depend on the extent of the injury. If it completely torn, the could brace him, DH him for awhile. However, he would probably need surgery by the end of August to be ready for next season. 20 minutes ago, Soxsi75 said: I'm not a Doctor, but does every elbow injury now have to involve Tommy John Surgery? I agree, can't the White Sox just elect not to do it? I'm saying to not do the surgery at all. Let him rest and try to recover on his own. I'm not concerned about his long term prospects in right field. I'm concerned he has the surgery and never quite recovers ala Micker Adolfo. Let's just hope it something fairly minor anyway and that this is all moot. Edited July 17, 2019 by OneDog847 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The way Adolfo recovered from TJ makes me wonder how all the guys who actually need to throw 95 are going to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxsi75 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, OneDog847 said: I'm saying to not do the surgery at all. Let him rest and try to recover on his own. I'm not concerned about his long term prospects in right field. I'm concerned he has the surgery and never quite recovers ala Micker Adolfo. Let's just hope it something fairly minor anyway and that this is all moot. I completely agree with you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: It depends. If he didn't hear him, and Tilson also admitted he called for it late, it is just an unfortunate occurrence. It didn't appear Eloy was going to make the play but it looked like he was calling for it as well, so it could be a case where he just couldn't get out of the way fast enough. Too bad this isn't 16 inch softball. They could move Eloy to catcher and call it a day. DH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moncada said: DH? No. Making him a full time DH at his agehas to be a last resort scenerio. Even Frank Thomas played the field longer. If it was 16 inch softball, a catcher just has to throw the ball back and has plays at the plate, and he can't be bowled over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just so someone keeps saying this... Both of Eloy's injuries are the kind of thing that should be limited by effective coaches working with these outfielders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Moncada said: Any news yet? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The immediate IL and sent to Chicago concerns me, unless it is just because they want team doctors to check him out. I trust @ptatc on anything medical and hope that it is just the hyperextension that he mentions and not the UCL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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