wegner Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: I think this name keeps getting misspelled because of former Cub Jason Hammel... Hamels Jason Hammel hasn't pitched since going 4-14 for the Royals in 2018. Sox can probably get him cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, wegner said: Jason Hammel hasn't pitched since going 4-14 for the Royals in 2018. Sox can probably get him cheap Yeah, we'll go the cheap route. Is David Wells still breathing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, zisk said: Yeah, we'll go the cheap route. Is David Wells still breathing? We might be able to get him and Kip on a Wells package deal. Honestly I hope we can get some good FA options but I do not expect the Sox to spend $ on a top tier free agent pitcher who is looking for a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 hours ago, poppysox said: Do you think McCann was about the money in last years FA class. For most guys it's just the process required in today baseball. Lots of guys sign quickly with first team that shows genuine interest. Boras clients take forever because they want every last nickel. This all about the money crap is not good for baseball. McCann had an embarrassing .581 OPS with the Tigers last year. He was lucky to get $2.5 million guaranteed from the Sox. If he had any leverage, he would’ve signed for more than mediocre bench money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Moan4Yoan said: McCann had an embarrassing .581 OPS with the Tigers last year. He was lucky to get $2.5 million guaranteed from the Sox. If he had any leverage, he would’ve signed for more than mediocre bench money. McCann will certainly get a chance next year to prove himself worthy of a longer term deal. At this point the Sox still control him via arbitration, so I'm not concerned. I really really do not see Cole to the Sox being realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: No offense, but this is straight garbage. By all means question whether they’ll add a legit star in free agency, but there are multiple tiers of free agents better than Ivan fucking Nova. If that’s what you truly believe, then you might as well turn in your fan card in right now as the rebuild would be completely doomed. I don’t see how you can shred a comment like this. Hahn brought in Nova, Santana, and Banuelos this past offseason as rotation guys. Did he intentionally waste $9 million on Nova thinking he would be bad? No, he thought he would be a good #4/#5 starter. He has brought in other such trash over the past few years (Paulino, Noesi, Latos, Santiago, Holland, MiGo) as rotation solutions. Did he intentionally sign the worst possible answers for his rotations? What big name starting pitchers has Hahn signed/acquired from outside the Sox organization? Big Game James nearing his retirement? Sure, Hahn will supposedly have more money to spend next offseason but does anyone trust him to spend it wisely? Why is there any reason to trust him going forward when it comes to free agency? Edited July 22, 2019 by Moan4Yoan 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: No, he thought he would be a good #4/#5 starter. He thought he'd be a guy you could count on to be healthy and throw a bunch of innings. He's done that. None of these guys you named were brought on to do anything other than be bodies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, mqr said: He thought he'd be a guy you could count on to be healthy and throw a bunch of innings. He's done that. None of these guys you named were brought on to do anything other than be bodies. I disagree. You can get a near 6 ERA from starters a lot cheaper than Nova and his $9 million dollars (see Dylan Covey). Hahn thought Nova would do a good job as a #4/#5 in the rotation and then deal him away at the trade deadline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: I don’t see how you can shred a comment like this. Hahn brought in Nova, Santana, and Banuelos this past offseason as rotation guys. Did he intentionally waste $9 million on Nova thinking he would be bad? No, he thought he would be a good #4/#5 starter. He has brought in other such trash over the past few years (Paulino, Noesi, Latos, Santiago, Holland, MiGo) as rotation solutions. Did he intentionally sign the worst possible answers for his rotations? What big name starting pitchers has Hahn signed/acquired from outside the Sox organization? Big Game James nearing his retirement? Sure, Hahn will supposedly have more money to spend next offseason but does anyone trust him to spend it wisely? Why is there any reason to trust him going forward when it comes to free agency? We don't have any idea...the last time they spent significantly in free agency, it was Robertson/Cabrera/LaRoche/Bonifacio. That doesn't exactly instill confidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: I don’t see how you can shred a comment like this. Hahn brought in Nova, Santana, and Banuelos this past offseason as rotation guys. Did he intentionally waste $9 million on Nova thinking he would be bad? No, he thought he would be a good #4/#5 starter. He has brought in other such trash over the past few years (Paulino, Noesi, Latos, Santiago, Holland, MiGo) as rotation solutions. Did he intentionally sign the worst possible answers for his rotations? What big name starting pitchers has Hahn signed/acquired from outside the Sox organization? Big Game James nearing his retirement? Sure, Hahn will supposedly have more money to spend next offseason but does anyone trust him to spend it wisely? Why is there any reason to trust him going forward when it comes to free agency? Pretty simple, Hahn didn’t want to commit any long-term money or use any of his prospect currency just yet. Next offseason is a totally different story and to suggest an Ivan Nova caliber starter is the best they’ll do is hating just to hate. And by no means am I suggesting will acquire the right guy ultimately, but he sure as shit will commit significantly more resources than the $9M and lottery ticket Ivan Nova cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Pretty simple, Hahn didn’t want to commit any long-term money or use any of his prospect currency just yet. Next offseason is a totally different story and to suggest an Ivan Nova caliber starter is the best they’ll do is hating just to hate. And by no means am I suggesting will acquire the right guy ultimately, but he sure as shit will commit significantly more resources than the $9M and lottery ticket Ivan Nova cost. But there are definitely levels of spending that are expected and may not be reached by Hahn. Is Alex Wood going to make you happy? That will be more than Nova’s $9 million. But that isn’t good enough. Most people are expecting more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Moan4Yoan said: But there are definitely levels of spending that are expected and may not be reached by Hahn. Is Alex Wood going to make you happy? That will be more than Nova’s $9 million. But that isn’t good enough. Most people are expecting more than that. There is zero reason we can’t go out and sign Bumgarner or Wheeler. They will get five years max (probably less with Wheeler) and that’s something we can easily do. We didn’t miss out on Machado because of the AAV, we missed out on him over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I want Strasburg but Bumgarner is probably the realistic target. The chances of the Sox landing a pitcher represented by Boras are slim to none. Who am I kidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, steveno89 said: I really really do not see Cole to the Sox being realistic. I agree, and other than blind hope, don't understand why anyone would think that he is an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, wegner said: We might be able to get him and Kip on a Wells package deal. Barf. This just made me think of trading for Todd Ritchie. Double Barf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Barf. This just made me think of trading for Todd Ritchie. Double Barf. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 What's this Alex Wood love? Guy hasn't thrown a pitch all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said: What's this Alex Wood love? Guy hasn't thrown a pitch all season. He’s the exact type of guy Hahn would target. Discount shopping! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: He’s the exact type of guy Hahn would target. Discount shopping! Madrigal just doubled off him, out of the game after six, gave up just one run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said: What's this Alex Wood love? Guy hasn't thrown a pitch all season. Hopefully it would be Cole & Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Did anyone hear Steve Stone discussing massive player contracts during tonight’s game? It sounded like he was speaking for Reinsdorf just now, saying that starting pitchers aren’t worth the massive contracts they receive to pitch into old age and because they are injury risks. Did anyone else hear this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Did anyone hear Steve Stone discussing massive player contracts during tonight’s game? It sounded like he was speaking for Reinsdorf just now, saying that starting pitchers aren’t worth the massive contracts they receive to pitch into old age and because they are injury risks. Did anyone else hear this? Michael Wacha came out of the bullpen tonight, his 5.33 ERA will be a bargain... Edited July 23, 2019 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Did anyone hear Steve Stone discussing massive player contracts during tonight’s game? It sounded like he was speaking for Reinsdorf just now, saying that starting pitchers aren’t worth the massive contracts they receive to pitch into old age and because they are injury risks. Did anyone else hear this? Yes. Just brings more fuel to the fire that the Sox won't pay for any FA. Just fucking invest that money into your scouting, analytics, and Player Development dept. If you want to be a small market team, be the A's or Rays, not the Pirates. If they don't do something reasonably acceptable to the fanbase this offseason, there are going to be torches and pitchforks at 35th and Shields. If the fanbase really gets pissed, the Sox could take off next year and the stadium could still be empty. Edited July 23, 2019 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Yes. Just brings more fuel to the fire that the Sox won't pay for any FA. Just fucking invest that money into your scouting, analytics, and Player Development dept. If you want to be a small market team, be the A's or Rays, not the Pirates. If they don't do something reasonably acceptable to the fanbase this offseason, there are going to be torches and pitchforks at 35th and Shields. If the fanbase really gets pissed, the Sox could take off next year and the stadium could still be empty. The Pirates were actually the first to embrace shifts, pitch framing....emphasizing two seam sinkers to keep the ball on the infield with superior infielders, lessening wear and tear on starting pitchers with elevated pitch counts (more k’s and walks with four seamers, more fly outs/homers). Edited July 23, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: Did anyone hear Steve Stone discussing massive player contracts during tonight’s game? It sounded like he was speaking for Reinsdorf just now, saying that starting pitchers aren’t worth the massive contracts they receive to pitch into old age and because they are injury risks. Did anyone else hear this? I didn't hear this, but I am not surprised. If I was in the broadcast booth, I would not allow myself to be used this way. If Reinsdorf wants to say something, just come and say it. Meanwhile, it is hard to put a rotation together with prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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